On 05-Jun-2013 09:10 +0200, Christian Brabandt wrote:

> On Wed, June 5, 2013 08:56, Ingo Karkat wrote:
>> On 05-Jun-2013 08:03 +0200, Christian Brabandt wrote:
>>
>>> [...] the old engine has an long standing bug with \%V ;(
>>>
>>> e.g:
>>>
>>> vim -u NONE -N
>>> ifoobar<esc>
>>> 0ve<esc>
>>> /\%Vfoobar\%V
>>>
>>> I should have probably provided a fix long ago.
>>
>> Where is the bug, that there's no match?! That's intended, as the last
>> \%V matches zero-width _after_ the end of "foobar", but the visual
>> selection ends on the "r". You'd have to use /\%Vfooba\%Vr here. (The
>> example at :help \%V is wrong about this corner case, too.)
> 
> I am not sure, it is intended. I certainly wouldn't expect this (and
> the doc is wrong in this regard, as you said). Since
> \%V is zero-width, I would expect the \%V to still match the end of the
> visual selection.

Zero-width means: Matches at the current position, but does not consume
the character; i.e. the next match is made at the same position.
What is needed at the final atom is: Matches at the previous position
(that has already been consumed). I don't know how difficult that is to
implement in the regular expression engine(s), but I think such a new
\%<V atom would be helpful.

In my opinion it is hard to change the existing \%V in a way to fit both
uses: It just matches anywhere inside a selection, and has no notion of
start or end of selection. Therefore, it's presumably difficult to
change its behavior at the end of the selection without introducing
off-by-one errors elsewhere. I'm already struggling to come up with a
good and precise documentation for the new behavior; the current one is
at least simple to grasp (when you understand zero-width matches). And
it would be a compatibility-breaking change.

>> The general case is this ugly beast: /\%Vfoobar\%(\%V\|\%(\%V.\)\@<=\).
> 
> Yes, very ugly and not easily understandable.
> 
>> Since restricting the match to inside the entire selection is such a
>> common use case (see the related vis.vim plugin), I think it would be
>> worthwhile to have a special atom (e.g. \%<V) that matches if the
>> _preceding character_ is inside the selection, allowing this much nicer
>> pattern: /\%Vfoobar\%<V
> 
> I can understand why this happens but nevertheless it is an annoying
> corner-case to consider when using the \%V atom, so I'd like to have
> this issue resolved.

Yes, at least the help should warn about this corner case. I ran into it
(and came up with the complex correct regexp) in some of my plugins, but
I think \%V is one of the more obscure atoms few people use. Probably
more users rely on the vis.vim plugin, which solves the problem in a
completely different way.

-- regards, ingo

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