On Mo, 31 Jul 2017, Bram Moolenaar wrote:

> Christian Brabandt wrote:
> > I am  also using vi mode within the shell, however using it while
> > running the terminal is ... confusing.
> 
> Yes, you can run Vim, open a shell, run Vim in it, start a shell
> window...

Oh I was not talking about running Vim recursively. I meant I am using 
vi-mode of the shell (set -o vi) which was confusing. However I believe 
this is just a matter of getting used to.

> Perhaps we could give a shell window a bit of a background.  However,
> when running Vim in it it would go back to normal?

Perhaps it would be better, if we color the frame/window border 
differently? Not sure, if this is possible however.

> I think we should use the principle that when the terminal is running
> and under control of the job, we don't have any of the Vim stuff.  It's
> a clear switch between two modes.  I believe neovim doesn't have that
> and both neovim and the job are fighting over what's in the window, that is
> even more confusing.  E.g. trying to select some text while the job
> scrolls it up.  In Vim you now switch to Terminal mode, select the text
> at your leasure, then give the terminal back to the job.  I even made it
> possible to paste the yanked text now, with CTRL-W ".

Fine with me and makes sense, if one thinks about it. As above, it's 
probably just another thing one has to get used to.

Best,
Christian

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