On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Dominique Pellé
<[email protected]> wrote:
> There is no Breton translation of Vim anyway.

All right, so this discussion of Breton rules is (for the time being)
purely academic.

> Glancing at the Breton plural rules at
> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/language_plural_rules.html
> plural rules look like a complete fantasy to me.
> They must be rules of another language!?
>
> I can sort of see why there could multiple plural
> cases for Breton, because of mutations. But these
> are not really a plural. Mutations depend on several
> things like: gender, word before the mutated word,
> number, etc. I don't think that plural rules in po file
> can really express such complex things. That's
> probably similar to some extent in other Celtic
> languages which all have mutations.
> The only Celtic po file in vim is Irish (po/ga.po)
>
> Regards
> Dominique

If by "mutations" you mean changes caused by liaison with a
neighbouring word, similar but not identical to the changes at the end
of some French adjectives when in liaison with a following masculine
singular word beginning or not with a vowel or "h muet" (e.g. ce vs
cet, vieux vs. vieil, beau vs. bel, etc., as in: cet homme, cet
étrange choix, ce vieil homme, ce vieux marin, ce bel homme, ce beau
pays, etc.) and if those changes can be triggered by a numeral, then
there must be a machine-understandable way of saying how the changes
happen, maybe by classing the numerals into sets depending on which
changes they can trigger in any possible word in liaison. Maybe it
isn't strictly a "different plural" the way grammarians see it, but
it's "a change in the noun or adjective, triggered by a dependent
variable numeral" and that's what the "plural rules" of gettext and
friends are for. Now I have no idea what mutations can be triggered by
which numerals in Celtic languages so I might be wide of the mark.

Irish (ga), Welsh (cy) and Scottish Gaelic (gd) (the Celtic languages
I looked up) all have (at both translatehouse and Unicode) complex
"plural rules" (different between languages) in the above-mentioned
gettext-and-friends sense of the word, possibly to express which
mutations are caused by which numerals in which language.

Best regards,
Tony.

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