On 15/02/09 10:16, Matt Wozniski wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Tony Mechelynck
> <[email protected]>  wrote:
>> On 15/02/09 09:59, Matt Wozniski wrote:
>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Tony Mechelynck wrote:
>>>> To give a window focus by one mouse-click without moving its cursor:
>>>> - either click its titlebar (if visible)
>>>> - or click its taskbar icon (which is normally always visible).
>>> Wow!  Does this work in other applications too!?
>>>
>>>> This applies to any window, not only Vim.
>>> It does!?  Well, golly gee whiz, I wish I'd known!
>> I suppose you're kidding.
>
> Naturally.  My point was simply this: Dominique pointed out a possible
> reason why one might choose not to use :set mouse=a, and I mentioned
> that the very thing he named might be the reason that some people I
> know choose not to enable the mouse in normal mode.  You responded by
> assuming that either Dominique or I were too stupid to know that there
> were other ways to give a window focus.
>
>>>> (Clicking _inside_ any window
>>>> will usually move its cursor, if there is one, to wherever you clicked,
>>>> or if you clicked after the end of a line, to the end of that line.)
>>> But what if your windows have no titlebar, and you don't have a
>>> taskbar!?  If only there other ways to focus windows without moving
>>> the cursor in them!
>> Mine all have, and I do. What window manager do you use? (I use KDE on
>> Linux, and the standard Windows display also has them.)
>
> I don't particularly mind if you think I'm an idiot, but sending
> messages such as "here's how you use your window manager, dummy"
> should probably be kept off-list.  I doubt anyone reading a technical
> mailing list will benefit from them, least of all one of the people
> with a history of submitting patches and solving problems.
>
> ~Matt

I didn't mean ", dummy", but some people sometimes forget even the most 
obvious; I thought it might be not totally useless to point it out. 
Maybe I should have added "As you probably know, ".

In Vim or in window managers just as everywhere else, the best way to do 
something is not necessarily the way which comes to you spontaneously, 
or to which you've trained yourself. If your "spontaneous" way of 
focusing a window is by clicking anywhere in its middle, and it 
displeases you that it moves the cursor, then maybe you should retrain 
yourself. *AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW*, if you click right in the middle of a 
browser window and there happens to be a link just where you click, that 
browser will follow the link. *AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW*, if you want to 
avoid that, you shouldn't click just anywhere in the window.

Regards,
Tony.
-- 
It is illegal for anyone to give lighted cigars to dogs, cats, and other
domesticated animal kept as pets.
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