Jake;
I think you have most of the parts.
let me look over the hardware you have listed.
SE = OS 7 ( what) 7.5.5 is best (68000 cpu)
performa 6110CD os ? (powerpc 601)
powerbook 1400cs 7.5.3 is probably o.k. (powerpc 603e)
and the type of Internet connection to the outside world,
modem direct or router and or switch/hub.?
also do you have a switch/router installed before the modem to the outside.?
is the macbook pro directly connected to modem??
and do you have any Ethernet Cables like the one from macbook pro to
modem??
I have just finished doing what you are talking about with
two LC 475s (68040 cpu)and a SE (68000 cpu).
the LC 475a are running OS 7.6.1 and OS 8.1
SE is running OS 7.5.5
one LC has an Ethernet board installed
and connects to the second LC and the SE over AppleTalk/macIP
the Ethernet connects to a switch and then to the router/modem
works o.k.
kind of slow over the AppleTalk/localtalk connection.
web browser -(netscape/Internet explorer/icab) - ftp (fetch) - and some
other stuff.
used a program called ipnetrouter to switch from AppleTalk to Ethernet on
one lc 475.
you connect the phonenet to the printer serial port on the performa 6110CD
and the SE
and to the only serial port on the powerbook
kind of looks like this:
powerbook serial port --> phonenet (with terminator in the empty hole)
other hole to a second phonenet pluged into to the performa printer serial
port --> second hole on same phonenet to third phonenet (with terminator in
empty hole) to printer serial port on SE
to get sharing working -- goto file sharing in the control panel -- name the
machine/user and then
start file sharing on all machines.
goto another machine and click on chooser then click on appleshare = you
should see the first machine name in the window.
good luck
we may have to do this via phone/skype.
dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake" <[email protected]>
To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI
Okay, so I have been a mad scientist trying to build a network for my
vintage macs. I thought it would be good to give a current
configuration of my machines and systems before I ask my next
question. Here goes!
Macintosh SE:
System: OS 7 (6.0.8 via floppy if necessary)
HD: 6gb (4 partitions) IDE drive. Converted to SCSI using an R-IDSC-E/
R chip.
Working ADB keyboard and mouse. (+1 adb trackpad I own)
Floppy: Two 1.4mb drives (running for 800k due to ROM issues)
Two serial ports, one DB25, two ADB, one DB19.
Macintosh Performa 6110CD (Power Mac 6110):
No HD (bought a 9gb scsi drive...coming in mail soon)
One floppy drive (1.4mb)
One cd-rom drive (not working too well...don't know why...could be
some driver issues)
Working keyboard and mouse (adb)
Working VGA display (using a hdi-45 to db15 cable and a Griffin PNP
display adapter)
Two serial ports, one db25 port, one adb port, one AAUI Ethernet port
PowerBook 1400cs:
HD: 750mb
OS: 7.5.3
Hot swappable 800k/1.44mb floppy and cd-rom drives
One serial port
Built in keyboard and trackpad
One adb port
No working battery
Newton eMate 300:
Standard configuration
No power supply
Battery is shot (completely dead)
Been charging with a dc power adapter actually made for my home phone
system...seems to turn it on fine.
Okay, so that is the current configuration of my machines. I also have
purchased the following:
3 farallon Phonenet minidin8 adapters
1 AAUI to Ethernet adapter
Assorted cables for the whole network...
Okay, so moving on. I was planning to use the Performa as a bridge
machine to allow for Internet to pass through. After all, it does have
LocalTalk and Ethernet access. However, my issue came when I was
trying to figure out how to configure it. The machine has no HD at the
moment, and the HD it had was shot anyway.
How can I get system software (<7.5.x) onto the new HD when it
arrives? I have thought floppy, but I cannot seem to find compatible
software that would allow me to get onto floppy disks. The only system
software I found was a 19-part download on apple's website, but that
just mounted (on the PowerBook) as a ~50mb folder or something. Inside
was an installer app. Obviously I cannot divide that into floppies, as
no actual disks were inside. Suggestions?
Also, what is a good piece of software to act as a bridge to allow the
incoming Ethernet TCP/IP packets over the AppleTalk network? I know
that natively you cannot send TCP over LocalTalk, but using 3rd party
software or hardware you can.
Also, in case that fails, what is a good piece of hardware that will
allow for an Ethernet Internet "provider" over Phonenet? I have set up
a Phonenet network (connected the computers via a LocalTalk serial
connection), and I know that there is hardware available that you can
use to convert Ethernet to LocalTalk (serial). I need this, however,
to supply the internet connection for the entire network. I want to be
able to send Internet through Ethernet, and then be able to surf the
web and download files to my Mac SE, PowerBook, Performa, and eMate.
Does anybody have any suggestions for either of the two things I just
mentioned above.
Beyond that, I can officially say that my Mac SE is running great! It
is rocking a new HD, and it works better than ever.
The PowerBook worked fine when I started out. The performa needs some
major work, but all parts required are on the way. Only thing left is
to network them all together.
Oh, I forgot. The host computer that will be supplying the Ethernet
connection is my MacBook Pro (running 10.7 lion). Does anybody have a
way to, well...send an Internet connection, over Ethernet, that will
work with my vintage network? I was thinking Internet sharing (airport
to Ethernet in system preferences), but then I thought it could be an
issue because of compatibility or something. Then again, I could be
totally wrong, and it would work just fine. Does anybody have a way to
do this? Will lion be able to send a normal Internet sharing
connection to a performa (or piece of bridge hardware) with no issues?
Thanks everybody for all the help!
-Jake
On Nov 20, 12:38 am, Clark Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 19, 2011, at 2:58 PM, glen wrote:
> _
>> From: Jake <[email protected]>
>> After the previous suggestion, I went and bought three farallon
>> phonenet adapters. Thanks! Can't wait to network!
>> Does anybody have any links to hook the phonenet system up to an
>> actual ethernet (~) Internet connection? Or, does nobody have a way of
>> getting either a PowerBook 1400cs or a Mac SE in the internet?
You need two functions to get a LocalTalk Mac on the Internet. The first
is to convert from LocalTalk to (AppleTalk over RS-485) to EtherTalk
(AppleTalk over Ethernet). The second is to convert from MacIP (IP over
AppleTalk) to IP over Ethernet.
The first step can be done with any of a number of AppleTalk bridges
(normally used to connect LocalTalk equipped printers to Ethernet
Networks). Farallon, Asante, Sonic and others made these devices. You can
also do it using LocalTalk Bridge software on a Mac connected to both
networks. Apple provides this software for free on their web site.
<http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Upda...>
For the second part, converting MacIP to IP over Ethernet you can use
IPNetRouter Sustainable Softworks.
<http://www.sustworks.com/sb_site/products.html>
Or you can get both features in one by using a Kinetics FastPath or Cayman
Gatorbox. Both of these are going to be hard to find, and likely even
harder to get working. I had several FastPaths and gave up on them when
they one by one stopped working (they are old).
I've used many combinations of the above over the years and they have all
worked well enough. The biggest problem is that the older Macs just can't
do a lot on the Internet. E-Mail, ftp, telnet are okay. Web is okay if you
are accessing VERY primitive web pages. Which excludes about 99.99% of
what is out there. I never could find an ssh client that would run on the
older systems.
> As
> you stated the SE has a specific PDS (96 pin I think) and given the
> space limitations of the SE the card has is 90 degree angle to the plug.
> I think the Mac IIsi uses the same card but my memory may not be
> correct.
The SE/30 and IIsi do use the same PDS slot and most cards can be used on
both. On the SE/30 if the PDS card includes a FPU it will need to be
removed / disabled.
> There are also SCSI to ethernet adapters out there somewhere. --glen
Slow and getting very hard to find.
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting
"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
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