Thanks for your succinct reply! The one I use now clicks less before the disks mount. 5–6 clicks, perhaps, whereas the "old" one would keep clicking until at least one reboot of the Mac… I do actually somewhere have the original internal Zip that came with this model of G3, put i pulled it out in order to add more harddrives. It’s in the basement, somewhere… Interesting the bit about 250’s being able to read 100’s. Maybe mine was in a bad temper (but it didn’t click…). All my Zips are in good condition, and I have copied off the stuff I wanted most, and catalouged them with Post-It-notes… And, of course, Iomega’s "FindIt", that catalogues any Zip you insert (upon ejection). And the have mostly sat in a box in the living room, and some in another room. No CRTs close to them, my "boob tube" got tradet for a flat-TV years ago, my huge Sony Trinitron MultiScan got a new home in a bigger house than mine. :)
lørdag 2. desember 2017 02.17.42 UTC+1 skrev [email protected] følgende: > > I have a bunch of Zip disks with stuff on them, mostly dating back to 1997 > (gasp!). A bunch of it was from when I took classes in graphic design, > web-design & "Mac design". Getting it over to "the modern times" took a bit > of effort, but it was doable. > Thus: Getting my "pizza box" G3 up and running (piece of cake, just > plugging it into the wall & a cable to the router, had a spare LCD screen & > converter mac-VGA). Had a Zip drive too, although it tends to do the "click > of death", a reboot usually fixes that, and none of my Zips gave me any > gruff once the drive was happy. > So: Turn file sharing on in 9.2.2 for a suitable folder. Copy Zips (and > diskettes…) to that folder. > Fire up an iBook G4 (whose keybard died, but I transplanted another form > another iBook, and I also have a spare USB keyboard, mostly because both > iBook keyboards are English/American, which gives me certain challenges > since I run Norwegian Sysyems, and the Norwegian & UK/USA layout are > different, + the "B" don’t work…9, with a "brain transplant" (with Firewire > Target Mode) from my old Powerbook G4, whose screen card died on me 3-4 > years ago, thus my Powerbook running 10.5 lives again, on the iBook. Really > weird the first time i booted it! > Anyhow, the 10.5 Frankenstein combo connects to the G3 (wirelessly) AND to > my Mini running 10.9.5. So i copy files from the G3s HD to my Mini’s HD > using the Frankenstein setup as an intermediary. I can also print to my > Epson laser with the 10.5-frankenstein. Easy as pie! The Mini shares its > printer over Bonjour. > As for the iBook, it flat out refused to install anything higher than > 10.4, so I clobbered it over the head with my Powerbook G4 & Target Mode. > Luckily, I had two chargers for those types of Macs, so they can both run > at the same time, no worries about doubtable batteries (the one on the > iBook is pretty lousy, the one on the Powerbook is pretty OK (bought a new > from MacFixit (or maybe it’s the one I got from Apple after faulty ones > were found out?). and I have a brand new one from the same company sitting > around, bought just before the PB screen card died. > And I write this on my non-retina MacBook Pro with High Sierra, 16 gb RAM > and an SSD I finally got to work after replacing the hard disk cable (a job > I had to outsource to a good friend of mine with keener eyesight & steadier > hands than mine. She gpt a bottle of wine for the job!). > > Last time I set this up, i had an ancient laptop running 10.2 as the > intermediary, and then the Mini ran Lion. Then I was able to make server > aliases of the Modern Macs on the G3, that doesent work now. But as long as > the 10.5 FrankenMac combo can see the G3, and also see the 10.9.5 Mini, I’m > happy. > Of course, the 10.13.1-equipped machine can see both 10.9.5 and 10.5. > Which is dandy. > As for 9..2.2 (or OS 9 in general), when an app crashes, the whole machine > goes down. Say what you like about OSX, but the ability to kill apps and > still have a running Mac, is priceless. > 10.1 was useless (i have it on another, tower G3…), 10.2 works, but > clearly a "work in progress". 10.3 helped me get used to OSX (my pancake G3 > can boot into that if I decide…), 10.4 is, well, stable, but old fashioned > and clearly "left behind". 10.5 is actually useable, you can surf most > sites, and iTunes will work with modern streming services (internet radio > staitons). > "Lion" worked fine, but somehow I upgraded to 10.9.5 (whatever feline > *that* is). Happy with that, still "3D", as opposed to 10.13.1’s > "flatland look". But I guess that is the way of things now. > The ancient 10.2-laptop is on loan to a friend of mine, who is busy > recreating old magazines from Quark files to PDF (by way of OS 9, which > that laptop also runs) and memory sticks to a more modern Mac, in order to > get the PDFs to the WWW. > I tried using a stick here too, but with USB 1.1 (or whatever the speed of > the USB card i put into it is, it’s just too slow with a 32 gb stick… > Although it’s got Firewire too, I only have one loose FireWire disk, and > that is a wee bit flaky…). > Enough now. Point is, it works. > G3+ Zip [9.2.2.]-> cable to router -> G4 iBook booted from a G4 PowerBook > in FireWire Target Mode, [10.5], wireless -> Mac Mini [10.9.5], wireless. > :) > Hm. I also have a couple of 6500s, One has this weird system on it that > never took off, another has a PowerPC-adapter that makes the abyssmally > slow 6500/250 into a blindingly fast 9.2.x-machine. Almost too bad it can’t > run OSX… *And *it might be able to boot in OS 8 (I have that both on CD > and a Zip…). > Nothing wrong with old computers. Or old 35 mm cameras. Or cars. Or buses. > Or trams (trolleys). 1913 is no age! Still runs like a tee! (I know, I > drive it…). > As does the G3 (from 1997). Plenty of RAM, and an exra HD in place of the > internal Zip. :D > It could use a new clock battery, but as long as it gets to go on-line, it > finds the time by itself, once it’s set. Too much hassle to unscrew the > cover to swap it (Yes, I’m lazy… but I’m all Shakin’ Stevens & Blind Bob > now…). > As for files, Quark files can be opened on the G3 & sent to file using > Dekstop Printer or saved as PDF (which ends up as a PostScript file, which > tne Distiller on the G3 or the Mini can make a PDF out of). Screen shots > from 9.2.2, which are PICTS (files, nor the warrior tribe from Old > England…), come out "off" in 10.9.5. The content is out of center and > cannot be re-centered. 10.5 to the rescue! Preview in 10.5 happily opens > those files just fine, and one can then export tjem as JPEGS or simular > modern formats. Which 10.9.5 is happy with. > Quark files also opens in 10.9.5 with InDesign, I just have to find the > same fonts ( a headache…) and the placed files (also a headache at times). > Then to export to PDF is easy. I have a bunch of WriteNow-documents, too > (oh, what a lovely program that was! Quick, compact & wysiwyg!). Opening > them all to export as prints is a bit of a job, but I wonder if there’s a > way around in X? > I have some Excel files that are wayy to old for the Excel on the G3, but > I have a Classic sitting around, that might be able to run an old enough > version of Excel to open those files (a few spreadsheets I adopted from a > book of SuperCalc models I bought for my first computer, a Tiki-100 ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiki_100). > Nowadays, a loan can be calculated on-line anytime, but not so in the Dark > Ages… > Plus I have diskettes with which to transfer files… > Hm. I also have some Ready-Set-Go!-documents, too, that maybe the Classic > could extract, too… > Anyhow, my setup works. Thanks to a knowledgeable person here, who told me > the brain transplant trick with the iBook & PowerBook G4s. > -c. > > -- > Ciel Waagenes Udbjørg, Oslo > -- -- ----- You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. 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