Hi, I think i agree with you there. I think we should encourage mainstream developers to keep accessibility in mind by for example promoting apps that do just that. /Krister
26 maj 2012 kl. 15:30 skrev Michael Malver: > For me, if I'm going to use a blindness related product whose design was > solely to make accessible a mainstream product not built with accessibility > in mind, I will both use the blindness product, and encourage the > manufacturer of the mainstream product to come into compliance with > accessibility standards. > If we use blindness-related products without lobbying for accessibility to > the main streams, mainstream producers may assume we blind people will > design work-around to their inaccessible tools. Sure, we can take companies > and products to court, but given the large number of companies, and the > small number of blind people, many companies might be willing to take the > risk of not bothering with accessibility. The payout of fines might be less > than hiring the people to create accessible products. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:01 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Voice Book and philosophy [was "Re: tried"] > > This is just my personal opinion, and I don't intend to force this opinion > on anyone else or flame anyone, but I disagree for myself. > Although I fully embrace using mainstream applications, I'm not going to > turn a back on an application or a device that makes my life easier or more > convenient just because it was written with accessibility in mind. > > What are our alternatives here? Use inadequate, hard to use or inaccessible > applications while we're working with Facebook to make their sites and apps > more accessible? > > I'm not a big fan of the phrase blind ghetto when referring to devices and > applications for the blind. I wouldn't have been employed and independent > for the last 30 years without tools like the Braille 'n' > Speak, JAWS, a refreshible braille display, Home Page Reader and so on. > Furthermore, I think these devices, and the experiences blind people have > with them, do as much to promote accessibility in mainstream products as > their existence might seem to hinder. > > Bottom line for me, is that I'm going to use all of the tools available to > me to get done what I need or want to do. I won't look down at my nose on > any blind person who feels differently though. To each his own. > > On 26/05/12 06:30, David Chittenden wrote:> Hello, >> >> I tend to agree with you. People are typically much more comfortable with > the familiar, and often willing to pay a premium to keep/maintain it. >> >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 26/05/2012, at 21:41, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but i haven't tried Voicebook > and probably never will. In my opinion from the description it sounds like > yet another lame unnecessary reinvention of the wheel and another part of > the worrysome trend i think i see that we blind are going further and > further away from the mainstream that we wanted to be a part of in the > beginning of the IPhone revolution. Don't get me wrong, some apps are > needed, like the money reader, the recognizer, vizwiz and others but others > are in my opinion not. But i guess to each their own. >>> /Krister >>> >>> 26 maj 2012 kl. 02:35 skrev adrian: >>> >>>> Has any one tried the new face book app called Voicebook? I have it and > i find it very accessible. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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