As for VoiceOver loosing speech, it happens at least once a day even after 
numerous restores.  

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On 12/06/2012, at 7:13 PM, [email protected] wrote:

>   Today's Topic Summary
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/topics
> 
> Clearing History [1 Update]
> Apple's with us!! [10 Updates]
> several i phone questions [1 Update]
> An article on what's coming in iOS6 [2 Updates]
> I'm confused about locations in iMap weather radio [2 Updates]
> TicketGenie: or What to Do When An App Crashes [2 Updates]
> WWDC: What's new in iOS 6.0 [1 Update]
> automatic syncing [1 Update]
> itunes help [1 Update]
> changing the from address on the fly? [1 Update]
> restoring back up from icloud? [1 Update]
> Digest for [email protected] - 25 Messages in 9 Topics [1 Update]
> HOW TO SSH [1 Update]
>  Clearing History
> Rob Harris <[email protected]> Jun 12 09:51AM +0100  
> 
> In Safari, click bookmarks, under there is a history, click that; and at 
> the bottom of that is a clear button.
>  
> Hth, RobH.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Cramer" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:33 AM
> Subject: Clearing History
>  
>  
> Hi there,
>  
>  
>  
> I was wondering if anyone knows how to clear the internet history or cookies
> on an IPhone or if it can even be done.
>  
> Ideas?
>  
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>  Apple's with us!!
> VaShaun Jones <[email protected]> Jun 11 10:52PM -0400  
> 
> Our input is heard loud and clear and we are not being put on the back burner 
> you have blind people specifically working on the mac and iOS to make it a 
> awesome experience for us. We take things in stride and we implement when 
> possible. Blind people have worked extremely hard to make this device 100% 
> accessible to the best of our ability and we hate to hear that back burner 
> talk that comes from the Windows world. Trust me I can vouch that 
> accessibility is in the front of all of Apples product from the Apple TV to 
> the actual walk in store and we will work hard to continue making amazing 
> devices but stating that we were put on the back burner sheds a negative 
> connotation on what progress we have made for all of us. I will say for a 
> free screen reader we have done a hell of allot more than those other guys 
> and it cost you nothing.
>  
> 
> VaShaun Jones <[email protected]> Jun 11 10:54PM -0400  
> 
> Actually thats 112 Billion dollars. I'm just saying!
>  
> 
> James Mannion <[email protected]> Jun 11 08:13PM -0700  
> 
> Yes, having gone off on my frustrations with the trends I have
> observed, I should say that I have not had issues with 5.1 or over one
> day now 5.1.1 that really cause me any big problems. Fortunately I do
> not really use the calendar for all day appointments, if I did that
> would be frustrating, the unlock bug is very minor in all that it
> really causes, and loosing speech is the biggest issue although I have
> mostly avoided that one so far. It is frustrating knowing I have just
> been lucky though and it really exists as an issue. That one has been
> around for a good while and they have not addressed it though and I
> believe that to be a big problem. Fortunately most bugs are not really
> voiceover specific in what I have known of so the population at large
> can weigh in on them.
>  
>  
> 
> Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> Jun 11 10:18PM -0500  
> 
> I agree with your post except for the gratuitous Windows bashing. The
> sentiment from customers that their pet bugs aren't being addressed is
> human nature and has nothing to do with Windows. I hear the same thing
> from AIX, Ubuntu, Symbian, ..., users, as well as from users of almost
> all significantly complex user applications. It's also not restricted to
> the blind or accessibility short comings.
>  
> Ditto for accessibility concerns. Again this is human nature, and
> probably has more to do with the general discrimination faced by the
> blind than it does with Windows.
>  
> Again, I agree with the sentiment of your post, but I just think that
> the gratuitous Windows bashing doesn't add anything to your argument and
> just takes away from an otherwise good point.
>  
> On 11/06/12 21:52, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>  
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>  
> 
> Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> Jun 11 08:45PM -0700  
> 
> the risk we take in buying off-the-shelf software that is accessible is that 
> there will be some glitches in its operation. I should say, there might be 
> more glitches in its operation than for a blindness-specific product. I think 
> the blindness community has a tendency to expect the same results from 
> off-the-shelf software as from blindness-oriented software. In my opinion, 
> this is generally an unrealistic expectation. Yes, we can make sure a product 
> is accessible, and give pointers to developers as the software progresses. 
> However, Apple doesn't have the specific concentration or resources that some 
> other blindness-oriented companies might have. We are a very small part of 
> the general market, and with this in mind, I think Apple has done an 
> exemplary and stellar job, and has set a trend for accessibility in 
> mainstream products. I'm looking forward to more accessibility of Apple 
> products in the future.
>  
> Teresa
> On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Chuck Dean <[email protected]> Jun 11 09:51PM -0700  
> 
> If every iPhone's screen went totally blank for 60 seconds ,once a week... 
> how long do you think it would take Apple to send out a fix?
> Do you think they would announce that 6.0 is coming and all the greatb 
> things about it before the fix?
>  
>  
> On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30:25 AM UTC-7, AppleGourmet wrote:
>  
> 
> "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> Jun 12 12:54AM -0400  
> 
> Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? I understand being upset about 
> missing something, but let's tone down the language a bit.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
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> On 6/11/2012 3:31 PM, Blinkin wrote:
>  
> 
> christopher <[email protected]> Jun 12 08:25AM +0100  
> 
> hi james whilst i would agree with some of your comments i would like to 
> remind us all that apple were the first companie to support us by making 
> there phones accessable out of the box. i used to be a nokia fan but they had 
> loads of bugs with there phones and they didn't have a screen reader on them 
> from the factory.
>  
> i appreciate it is frustrating with some of the buggs, but i have not found 
> many at all on my phone, if you are getting lotts of bugs maybe speak to the 
> prividor and get a replacement, as you could just have a faulty phone.
>  
>  
> Regards 
>  
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>  
> On 12 Jun 2012, at 02:43 AM, James Mannion <[email protected]> wrote:
>  
> Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign
> has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating
> it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not
> likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general
> statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason
> to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the
> time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave
> major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a
> year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme
> disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you
> can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to
> the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have
> expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have
> too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo
> on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They
> see no reason to care about product quality apparently.
>  
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> Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> Jun 12 04:04AM -0400  
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I'm confused, what does this have to do with anything? At least in regards to 
> the post you were replying to? 
>  
> I never understood those if questions. I mean, what if the sky wasn't blue? 
> What if water wasn't wet? iPhone screens are not going blank for 60 seconds 
> once a week on every device. For that matter, not all voiceover users are 
> experiencing speech loss once a week either. If it was, it would probably be 
> a easier bug to report and fix. 
>  
> JMO.
>  
> Ricardo Walker
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>  
>  
> 
> Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> Jun 12 04:12AM -0400  
> 
> Oh boy.
>  
> now, don't get me wrong but, just because issues that are personally 
> effecting you, and haven't been addressed, doesn't mean they don't care. I 
> mean really? In my opinion, care is a relative term here. They don't care as 
> much as who exactly? Google? RIM? Microsoft? Samsung? HTC? All the companies 
> making inaccessible touch panel appliances now a day? Of course, everyone is 
> entitled to their feelings and opinions but, as far as IOS goes, I think 
> Apple does a better job than all others in the same field in regards to a 
> stable mobile OS and, accessibility. I think the proof is, all though you 
> feel the way you do, I haven't heard you mention going to another platform.
>  
> JMO.
>  
> Ricardo Walker
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>  
>  
> 
>  several i phone questions
> Rebecca Ilniski <[email protected]> Jun 12 01:12AM -0400  
> 
> I'm not sure how to find the apps on my phone. I know for a fact that 
> they are in itunes.
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>  
> 
>  An article on what's coming in iOS6
> "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> Jun 12 12:50AM -0400  
> 
> Hi, that means that the maps app which comes installed by default with 
> iOS uses data, meaning, part of what you pay for and what you have a 
> limit on. Navigon, on the other hand, has the maps installed on your 
> device and so doesn't use your data when you use the app. Hope that 
> clears it up.
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>  
> On 6/11/2012 7:19 PM, John Riehl wrote:
>  
> 
> "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> Jun 12 12:52AM -0400  
> 
> I think it depends on where Tom Tom gets their map data from. Last I 
> heard it was Tele Atlas, the same source as Google Maps However I have 
> been wrong before..
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>  
> On 6/11/2012 7:24 PM, Cristobal wrote:
>  
> 
>  I'm confused about locations in iMap weather radio
> Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> Jun 11 02:15PM -0500  
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I usually turn on location services in that app only when I'm traveling to 
> prolong battery life. 
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
>  
> 
> Sarai Bucciarelli <[email protected]> Jun 11 10:41PM -0500  
> 
> Hi:
> Keep it on. If your specific location is under a tornado warning, the alar, 
> will sound.
> On Jun 11, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Christina wrote:
>  
>  
> 
>  TicketGenie: or What to Do When An App Crashes
> Tom Lange <[email protected]> Jun 11 07:50PM -0700  
> 
> Hi,
> I'm using a 32-gig iPhone 4 with IOS version 5.1.1. Recent discussion of the 
> NFB Newsline bug got me thinking about a situation that I'm having with 
> something called TicketGenie, a free app which lets you view listings of 
> concerts, theater productions and sports events either locally or around the 
> United States. When you find an event of interest, it's supposed to let you 
> buy tickets directly from the phone. Kind of a neat idea, actually, and in 
> some respects the app is fun to work with. I live here in Los Angeles and can 
> bring up quite an extensive list of upcoming concerts, but when I try to 
> bring up a listing by venue, for example, the Hollywood Bowl, TicketGenie 
> appears to crash and I get kicked out to the screen where I launched the 
> TicketGenie app. VoiceOver doesn't crash and go silent, I just get kicked out 
> of the app. So my questions are these:
> 1. When you get kicked out of an app, is there any way to find out what 
> caused the problem, e.g. use some sort of debug function or view an event 
> log? 
> 2. If I clear out the app switcher and relaunch TicketGenie, I still have 
> this problem, so I don't know if it's a memory issue. Could the problem be 
> due to a faulty install, and would removing and reinstalling take care of 
> this situation?
> 3. I'd like to see if others are having this issue. Is there a way to check 
> that out at the app store?
>  
> Just curious. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tom
>  
> 
> Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> Jun 11 10:24PM -0500  
> 
> I don't use TicketGenie, but I saw something similar happen to me over
> the weekend. I was using the ESPNRadio app to listen to game 7 of the
> series between the Celtics and the Heat, and the ESPNRadio app just
> vanished on me at least three times during the game. I doubt it was
> VoiceOver related, and I still need to go and look at the reviews of the
> ESPNRadio app to see how common place this is.
>  
> On 11/06/12 21:50, Tom Lange wrote:
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>  
> 
>  WWDC: What's new in iOS 6.0
> Pete Nalda <[email protected]> Jun 11 10:11PM -0500  
> 
> There's a lot of Twitter integration as well.
>  
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> 
>  automatic syncing
> "K. F. Ifill" <[email protected]> Jun 11 10:51PM -0400  
> 
> Hi list,
>  
> I have an IPhone 4s and an Ipad2. I bought book through iTunes the other day
> and I was playing it on the phone this morning. I decided to switch to the
> Ipad and as soon as I started the book, the Ipad started at the exact point
> I had stopped on the IPhone. When I switched to the phone later it didn't
> do the same, but later when I switched back to the Ipad, once again it was
> in perfect step.
> Can someone tell me what setting I need to chance on the phone so it does
> the same thing? I have the sync over wifi turned off for both devices in
> iTunes, so I know it's not that. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
> Kerry
>  
> 
>  itunes help
> Hank Smith <[email protected]> Jun 11 07:46PM -0700  
> 
> I am using itunes for windows, I am sorry I should have spacified this 
> in my post.
> On 6/11/2012 6:57 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
>  
> 
>  changing the from address on the fly?
> Kliphton <[email protected]> Jun 11 09:37PM -0500  
> 
> Thanks to everyone who replied on and off list. I asked this a couple omths 
> back, and got no reply. Maybe my message didn't come through. but now I have 
> a clear understanding.
> Kliphton SR
> K&S Vending
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>  
> On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Sieghard wrote:
>  
>  
> 
>  restoring back up from icloud?
> "Søren Jensen" <[email protected]> Jun 12 04:35AM +0200  
> 
> Hi.
>  
> I haven't seen anyone who have replied on your mail yet, but I'm sorry I if 
> I've missed any mails.
> When you have backed up your phone to iCloud, you simply reset your phone by 
> going into settings, generel and find the reset feature which should be at 
> the very buttum at the list and delete all from your phone.
> Your phone will then restart, and boot up like if it was a totally new phone. 
> Then you have to inable Voiceover by the triple click home, and here you have 
> to choose your language.
> Then choose to restore from iCloud, enter your login informations and then 
> your iPhone will begin restoring.
> Let me know if you have any questions.
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
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> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>  
> Den 11/06/2012 kl. 01.52 skrev Hank Smith:
>  
>  
> 
>  Digest for [email protected] - 25 Messages in 9 Topics
> Olivia Norman <[email protected]> Jun 11 07:30PM -0700  
> 
> Congratulations, Jen!
> I'm glad things are going well!
> Olivia
>  
> "Have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already 
> know what you truly want to become.", Steve Jobs
>  
>  
> 
>  HOW TO SSH
> "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> Jun 11 03:17PM -0400  
> 
> Hi, winscp is to copy files to and from 2 areas via the ssh secure way. 
> If you want to ssh into your jailbroken iPhone, then you can use a 
> program like putty from Windows. It's probably the best one out there 
> and is free.
>  
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