So if you read my original message, according to your comments below, you have nothing to complain about.
Cheers, Brett. Sent from Brett's iPhone > On 2 Jun 2015, at 10:03 am, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, > whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not > interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's > situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and > talk about what you get for your money with these different options then I'm > interested, but I just don't find any value in hearing people talk about > whether they think an app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it > themselves or not. > >> On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote: >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump >> on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. >> >> Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute >> something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an >> informed choice. >> >> Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he >> makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also >> occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a >> blindness specific app, it should be treated differently. >> >> Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently >> there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick. >> >> Cheers, >> Brett. >> >> >> Sent from Brett's iPhone >> >> On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca >> <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>> wrote: >> >>> Hi *Brett,* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> As you so well explained, people have choices. If they want the >>> MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy >>> it like you did. Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and >>> have free options. That’s the best situation possible. I don’t think >>> a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t >>> afford the product. A person evaluates his/her product, decide how >>> much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it >>> and those of us who can’t afford it have choices. I don’t believe in >>> stating that an app is over-priced. It is what it is and we can buy >>> it or leave it. The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us >>> who wanted it paid for it and are using it. Those of who couldn’t >>> afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life. >>> >>> I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to >>> work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because. I do >>> understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the >>> developpers problem, its ours to deal with. >>> >>> Just an opinion >>> >>> Ron & Danvers >>> >>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett >>> *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> *Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille >>> as a third-party keyboard >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Here is just my opinion. >>> >>> I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I >>> think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a >>> bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and >>> there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards >>> include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which >>> MBraille doesn’t. >>> >>> There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard: >>> >>> 1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With >>> iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the >>> message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard. >>> >>> 2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate >>> to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you >>> don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable >>> direct input yet. >>> >>> 3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I >>> have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the >>> period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write >>> the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If >>> someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know. >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth >>> the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, >>> so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but >>> still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in >>> the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available >>> and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard >>> list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is >>> much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the >>> MBraille one. * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *Cheers,* >>> >>> *Brett.* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Krister Ekstrom >>> *Sent:* Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> *Subject:* Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as >>> a third-party keyboard >>> >>> Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this >>> app. I only reacted to the price because there were so many price >>> alternatives that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not >>> sure i would use, but then again, what i use and when may very well >>> vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts to post to various sources. >>> Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or if i keep switching >>> between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious though to >>> find out how mBraille works in certain situations. >>> >>> /Krister >>> >>> 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner <rich...@turner42.com >>> <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>>: >>> >>> Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have >>> no issues with the price. >>> >>> On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he >>> changed a few things and dropped the early products. >>> >>> I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and >>> yes, the app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he >>> is working hard to fix, though some of the issues are because of >>> the way Apple restricts developers. >>> >>> He only included the third party keyboard after enough people >>> begged him to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a >>> much bigger job than expected. >>> >>> But, it works well in most cases. >>> >>> I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when >>> creating or replying to text messages just fine. >>> >>> Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you >>> have to buy the third party keyboard for, $9.99 or buy both the >>> third party keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99. >>> >>> Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version. >>> >>> You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the "Full >>> Version" for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party >>> keyboard capability. >>> >>> Sory I only know the US prices. >>> >>> Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app >>> and charged less? I have no idea. >>> >>> I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to >>> do what he has done. >>> >>> But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed >>> any other attempt at a braille entry system. >>> >>> JMO, >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom >>> <kris...@kristersplace.com <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do >>> much about it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have >>> to be satisfied with it or not purchase it. B, the price table >>> is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the amount i paid, >>> at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for >>> the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay >>> more in order to get the third party keyboard support? >>> >>> /Krister >>> >>> 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner >>> <rich...@turner42.com <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>>: >>> >>> Yes it is. >>> >>> Are you using the Away mode layout? >>> >>> When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear >>> mBraille spoken and then be able to start writing. >>> >>> Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc. >>> >>> Do you have direct input on or off? >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they >>> get for it, but what they become by it." >>> >>> - John Ruskin >>> >>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Michelle >>> McQuigge >>> *Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM >>> *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> *Subject:*RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party >>> keyboard >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille >>> program yesterday. It cost about $45 Canadian and >>> definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, surely >>> third-party keyboard permissions are included too? >>> >>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Richard Turner >>> *Sent:*Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM >>> *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> *Subject:*Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party >>> keyboard >>> >>> If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not >>> dot 3. >>> >>> If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I >>> bought mBraille at $29.99 when it first came out and then >>> finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox and third party >>> keyboard support. >>> >>> It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much >>> everywhere else I have tried it. At least as long as I >>> switch back to the standard keyboard with a three finger >>> swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just >>> dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left. >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge >>> <michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when >>> trying to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a >>> caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and have >>> enabled full access using the full, paid version of >>> the app. >>> >>> I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a >>> third-party keyboard if I access functions through the >>> app first. For instance, if I open messages in order >>> to reply to someone and select mBraille as the >>> keyboard of choice, basically nothing happens. I can't >>> activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It >>> clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down >>> what should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it >>> doesn't seem to recognize the dots. 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