Re: Abridged summary of viphone@googlegroups.com - 53 updates in 16 topics

Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:30:45 -0700 

Hi Alex,
I contacted Jawbone twice for help with the app. and asked very nicely if they were thinking about improving accessibility in a future update, they reply quite promptly, made the right noises, said accessibility was one of their priorities but there has been 3 updates since then and accessibility hasn't improved. It is not worse, so that can't be bad! Jawbone says it supports the Health app., but since 8.2's update, the exchange of information between the 2 apps has become patchy, Apple doesn't welcome the use of non Apple devices to talk to its app., it tolerates it but makes it difficult now. 
They want us to buy the Apple watch of course!
Maybe there is something in settings I haven't done right... Would appreciate your comments, thoughts on the matter. 
All the best,
Marie

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  * Does anyone know how I can change the tabs which appear in
    Twitterrific on IPhone and IPad? <#group_thread_0> - 1 Update
  * problem with voiceover not saying words right <#group_thread_1> -
    5 Updates
  * how to use the app switcher with a braille display?
    <#group_thread_2> - 5 Updates
  * Do you use ATM to cash your money? <#group_thread_3> - 8 Updates
  * Downloading A Purchased Book Into iBooks <#group_thread_4> - 1 Update
  * app switcher announcing names and how to get rid of this
    <#group_thread_5> - 2 Updates
  * how to write the at sign in an email address using a braille
    display with the Iphone 6 <#group_thread_6> - 8 Updates
  * Sharing contacts <#group_thread_7> - 2 Updates
  * Jawbone app. accessibility <#group_thread_8> - 2 Updates
  * compass app <#group_thread_9> - 5 Updates
  * Latest music App <#group_thread_10> - 2 Updates
  * Important Notice to Those Using iOS Devices with Windows 10: How
    to Disable Windows 10 Update Delivery Optimization
    <#group_thread_11> - 5 Updates
  * gvphone app <#group_thread_12> - 2 Updates
  * is anyone else using stamp to transfer spotify playlists to apple
    music? <#group_thread_13> - 1 Update
  * Is there a way to know when iTunes on the PC completes a process?
    <#group_thread_14> - 3 Updates
  * Who do I send suggestions to <#group_thread_15> - 1 Update
Does anyone know how I can change the tabs which appear in Twitterrific on IPhone and IPad? <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/55dbc1c0a9dbe666?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Traci Duncan <our4p...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 03:51PM -0700

Hi, I just tried an experiment…
It looks like you tap & hold on the one you want to change. Hold it until a menu pops up. Then tap one of the choices, which will replace the one you wanted to ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/1c951305dd8fa515?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 

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dacia.l...@gmail.com: Aug 06 11:22AM -0500

hi,
i'm having a problem with voiceover not saying words with the apostrophe in them. for example when i write did not with the apostrophe it says did then ! letter t. instead of didn't. ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/aaf417fe20344a06?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
"Flor Lynch" <florl...@iol.ie>: Aug 06 08:12PM +0100

Which voice do you have VoiceOver using?

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"Flor Lynch" <florl...@iol.ie>: Aug 06 08:18PM +0100

Or it could be that you have VO switched to speak No Punctuation? If so,
change the punctuation setting in VoiceOver to Some.

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Donna <merma...@bellsouth.net>: Aug 06 03:49PM -0400
I am having this same problem. The only way to get voiceover to pronounce words that end in "n't" is to omit the opaustrefy, which means that the word is misspelled. Setting punctuations to some or ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/c994eb22910a6b43?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
dacia.l...@gmail.com: Aug 06 03:24PM -0500
Hi, I'm not sure which voice I'm using. I believe it's the default one that comes on the iPhone I know it's not Alex I don't think. It's whatever one I started hearing when I want voiceover for the ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/276ef5a02904f5d3?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 

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how to use the app switcher with a braille display? <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/c789df6c4005060?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
dacia.l...@gmail.com: Aug 06 11:09AM -0500

hi
how do y use the app switcher with a braille dispay or can you?
thanks,
dacia

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Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net>: Aug 06 11:26AM -0500

Hello,
Yes, you can use the app switcher with a braille display. Press Space with H twice to open the app switcher. Use space with dot 1 or dot 4 as needed to select the app you want To close, and ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4070698b27684f5c?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Dacia Cole <dacia.l...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 11:27AM -0500

Thanks, can you also delete an email using the braille display if so
how do you do that?

thanks,

Dacia
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"Flor Lynch" <florl...@iol.ie>: Aug 06 05:38PM +0100

Press the h-chord twice to get into it. Then you can activate an item (in
the usual way, hyphen-chord); or close an item (dots 1456-chord).

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Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 04:01PM -0400

Hi Dacia.
Yes, just be sure your rotor is set to "actions" which it usually will
be by default, and press space with dot 3, followed by space with 3-6
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Do you use ATM to cash your money? <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/bd612c337ddffa42?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca>: Aug 05 09:02PM -0400

between this and the Windows 10 messages...

At 06:14 PM 8/5/2015, you wrote:
A skimmer is one of those devices that criminals cleverly slip over the card slot so that as your card is inserted, ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/b26355a756f2bbb5?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Marianne Denning <maria...@denningweb.com>: Aug 05 09:29PM -0400

There may be touch pads on A T Ms, but, in the U.S. there must also be
a tactile key pad. I tried one that did not have a tactile pad option
at the NFB convention.


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"Brent Harding" <br...@hostany.net>: Aug 05 08:33PM -0500

I heard that all the new ones need to be enabled for audible output. I
wonder how a person would locate which ones are actually enabled? The last time I tried, and it was awhile ago, many of the ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/be6b6575ca26e57?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 09:09PM -0500

Here in Chicago, BMO Harris Bank offers the ability to withdraw cash
using an iPhone or android phone. I am not a customer of this bank and
do not know how accessible the bank’s app is to perform ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/b6a74b4dc05bbd7d?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
"Brent Harding" <br...@hostany.net>: Aug 05 09:17PM -0500
Could I deposit with the Chase machines into a bank account that isn't with 
Chase? I do have access to an iPhone app through my bank that does mobile
check deposit, but getting the picture of the ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/ec9294332f0786a0?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 02:13PM -0500

Chase only accepts deposits from its own customers. I have a Chase
account and and an account with an online brokerage that offers
banking servcies for free. Schwab and Fidelity both refund any ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/146b2d7fb064993d?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
"Brent Harding" <br...@hostany.net>: Aug 06 02:35PM -0500
I figured as much that Chase might not take Capitalone 360 for ATM deposit. 
I had heard that Allpoints was working on deposit acceptance though.

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Shaf <shafpa...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 08:38PM +0100

This is getting off-topic.

On 8/6/2015 8:13 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
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Eileen Misrahi <eileen.misr...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 12:07PM -0700

Hello Folks,
Since I really don’t use iBooks all that much, I don’t know if this is usual behavior. I purchased a book through iTunes on my MacBook Air yesterday and accessed it just find ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/b9145a41258b6aff?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 

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app switcher announcing names and how to get rid of this <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/44f11e555e64b18?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
"Pinky" <pink...@abe.midco.net>: Aug 06 12:05PM -0500

Hi
Since I have updated to IOS 8.3 when I go to the app switcher and flick left 
I hear people's names. First of all what is this and how do I get rid of
this.
Thanks in advance for any ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/5a3b0f2d204604c1?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Chris <challswor...@icloud.com>: Aug 06 07:50PM +0100

This is quick access to your recent or favourite contacts. If you don't
want this turn show in app switcher off in Settings > mail contacts and
calendar.

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how to write the at sign in an email address using a braille display with the Iphone 6 <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/669602394a729e3a?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Robert Doc wright <yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 05:38PM -0600

I thought dot 4 represented the @ sign.
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Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 04:56PM -0700

Hi,
Are you using 6-dot or 8-dot Braille input on your display? I'm using a Braillenote Apex with 8-dot input. Though it means more keystrokes, I find that I can be much more precise and don't have ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/c5673b410dbd8f64?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Ryan Mann <rmann0...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 07:56PM -0400

Try using Dot 4 then dot 1.


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Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com>: Aug 05 08:38PM -0700

That works in UEB.
Depending on the braille display, you may have to use the backspace key, which is known as dot 7 and dot 4, or even spacebar, plus backspace, plus dot 4. 

Richard
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dacia.l...@gmail.com: Aug 06 09:20AM -0500
I am using a braille sense YouTube with the Perkins style keyboard. Is there a certain input I need the braille display to be in and a certain input or output I need the phone to be in? For example, ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/4926ea310ad98471?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Robert Doc wright <yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 10:22AM -0600

You add the backspace key with what?
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dacia.l...@gmail.com: Aug 06 11:26AM -0500
Hi, on another list, I was told if you have iOS 8 for early later, or at least iOS 8, press dots 236 with the and set it to 8.mode. Once it is an 8.mode, if you do the backspace key with the.40, it ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/b213ba43617e2c42?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Dacia Cole <dacia.l...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 11:30AM -0500

Hi,

I was trying to dictate the message and there was a lot of background
noise so I wanted to write it out as well.
To set the braille display input mode to eight dot mode press dots ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/23f5a9afecc037f5?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 

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"Jan Kleinhans" <jhkleinh...@telkomsa.net>: Aug 06 01:56PM +0200

Hi all
Is it indeed possible to share a contact from my iPhone 4S via messaging to phones on a different platform? I can find the options to share via email, messaging and so on. ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/9f6e907a37726ad9?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net>: Aug 06 10:29AM -0500

Hi Jan,
I have sent my husband a contact successfully, and he has an Android phone, so the other phone doesn't have to be an iPhone. 

Best,
Anna
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Jawbone app. accessibility <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/d84449edb2196a8a?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Marie BAISEZ <marie.bai...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 11:14AM +0200

Hi there,
I use a Jawbone Up24 and its app. daily, I find the device quite useful,
of course, not a patch on the Apple watch I presume, but cheaper to buy
especially at that price for sure. ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/3e2e12b0d81d9028?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com>: Aug 06 08:01AM -0400
Thanks, I'm glad to know I'll be able to use it. I went ahead and purchased the tracker yesterday; I figured that, since Jawbone supports HealthKit, I'd be able to at least see my information that way ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/3d1d669867d8ec75?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 

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compass app <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/bb644c501fb75b62?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Robert Doc wright <yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 05:36PM -0600

the iPad compass is not accessible. You can download Compassº for free.
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Robert Doc wright <yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 05:36PM -0600

the iPad compass is not accessible. You can download Compassº for free.
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Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca>: Aug 05 09:04PM -0400
interesting. The iPad compass is not accessible but the one on my iPhone 6 is? 

Why is that then?

At 07:36 PM 8/5/2015, you wrote:
the iPad compass is not accessible. You can download ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/952321945ee30f22?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 08:13PM -0500

My understanding is that you don't get a compass app with the iPad, as
described in this article, which also points to a few good free options.
I'm not sure which are accessible, but maybe that ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/f1f4d181057232c?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
"Dave" <d.becke...@ntlworld.com>: Aug 06 09:50AM +0100

Hi, trying to find the compass degrees app, and having no luck.

please could someone send the link, for this app in the app store?

Many thanks,

Dave.

From: Chris Smart
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Latest music App <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/be3bc650b44a20bc?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Agent086b <agent0...@internode.on.net>: Aug 06 01:33PM +1000

Hello all,
running IOS 8.4. In the past I could use the music App for playing music stored on my iMac. I used to have a more option at the bottom of the main screen of the App. In the more option I ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/8448357abc06833d?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Chris <challswor...@icloud.com>: Aug 06 09:18AM +0100

I think home sharing for music has been temporarily disabled. It will be
coming back in iOS 9 so says various sources like Mac Daily News.

On 06/08/2015 04:33, Agent086b wrote:
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Important Notice to Those Using iOS Devices with Windows 10: How to Disable Windows 10 Update Delivery Optimization <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/b3f52f0e9e51a4d6?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
"M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>: Aug 05 07:20PM -0700

Hello Robin, et al,
Of course, I am not the moderator of this list and I can only speak for myself.
Having said that, a lot of us iOS users sync our devices with iTunes for Windows. ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/19f1b10ce436a58e?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: Aug 05 08:19PM -0700

Hi Mark,
What you say is correct, but you do, after all, have full control over it. First of all you can turn off the feature completely or, if you do turn it on, you can select to have updates and ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/6f003c740e2daacb?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: Aug 05 08:22PM -0700

Robin,
Not really related to your iOS device at all, strictly concerns Windows 10 and when Microsoft talks about "apps and updades" they of course don't mean iOS apps, but Windows 10 apps. ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/a456e8c8956b0a09?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: Aug 05 08:25PM -0700

Hi Mark,
I agree that there are relative topics regarding Windows 10 and iTunes and iOS devices, but the "delivery optimization" I don't think has any impact whatsoever on the use of iTunes with ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/ee13b1b1d608b13c?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 11:55PM -0500

IMHO, I think this is off topic for this list. There are plenty of
sources for Windows users to get information on Windows 10. We don't
need to add traffic to a high traffic list with generic ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/541401cf2d0920a1?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 

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gvphone app <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/f2d97e43474af62?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Larry McCreary <lrmccre...@earthlink.net>: Aug 05 07:38PM -0400
...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/d52212ab8da4a6a7?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
joseph hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 11:26PM -0500
Wow, how strange. I know that Google voice West illuminating third party applications and I'm not for sure GV phone was one of them or not. But I will try using that tomorrow, and see where I get with ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/69dae0bb29b0f23b?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 

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is anyone else using stamp to transfer spotify playlists to apple music? <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/2ca8b459d752103?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Anouk Radix <radix.an...@gmail.com>: Aug 06 06:18AM +0200

Hi,
I just found this app and it seems to be reasonably accessible on the mac. I have not yet transferred anything yet but i was able to log in and review my playlists. Has anyone else got experience ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/e286e6d19a9fa9e0?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 

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Is there a way to know when iTunes on the PC completes a process? <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/t/2490e89a9643c3a2?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
"Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu>: Aug 06 02:26AM

Hi,
I'm completing the process of moving my iTunesMedia folder to an external hard drive, after running into some problems along the way. I had to copy my iTunesMedia folder to the external hard ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/50723c40eafb4814?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
"M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>: Aug 05 08:26PM -0700

Hello Keith,
While your question is short and sweet, the answer depends upon too many factors to comprehensively address, on-list.
However, the extremely short and non-comprehensive answer is: ...more <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/da79fe5cbcf25331?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> 
Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: Aug 05 08:26PM -0700
You normally hear the typical triple tone iTunes makes when it finishes downloading something or syncing or importing items to your library.
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Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>: Aug 05 08:16PM -0500

If it isn't accessibility related, I'd suggest using Apple's feedback
form at https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

On 08/05/2015 04:33 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

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