Hello Cara, Yes, I would like to thank him for the link, I think that is the way forward. That's why I was wondering, since I am not sure whether the things would really reach, from accessibility's desk. Thanks a lot, once again.
----- Original Message ----- From: Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 11:05 pm Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away > > > Hi Rajmund, > > I would say to use the method that is most convenient for you, knowing that > you may be offered another means of communication so that your concern > reaches the right person. > > Jonathan has been kind enough to post a link, so unless that is somehow > prohibitive for you, then that would really be the way to go. > > Cheers! > > Cara > --- > iOS design and development - LookTel.com > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Cara, > > Do we use accessibil...@apple.com or some kind of other address for this? Its > not a direct accessibility feature, after all. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:53 pm > Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away > > > > > > > Hi Marshall; > > > > You're not stupid! :) That's a great question. > > > > My point is really that rather than us waiting for more news on things or > > wishing that something would work for us, that we simply take the first > > step and really go ahead and start a friendly dialogue with anyone we may > > know between us and that which we are working toward. > > > > In regard to Apple, we have an email address and a phone number. Some of us > > have other connections as well. Use these. That's all. > > > > For Android and other companies, just take the step to find their contact > > details and go ahead and follow that. You will find that there are people > > who will listen. > > > > It does not mean we need to fight or be confrontational. There are many > > people in these tech companies as well as small developers alike who are > > really interested in what we have to say. > > > > Our job I feel very strongly now, is really to come together and lend our > > voices, not as iPhone users or Android users, not as Mac users or Windows > > users, but just as customers who really rely on all of these various > > technologies (and more) to have a good quality of life or very much enhance > > or improve our lives.. > > > > So many times, we wish that something was accessible and so many of us just > > stay at that point, (I've done it myself) when really what would help would > > be just to add your voice to the mix. Even just one comment, question or > > tweet can really make a difference because it may start a ball rolling > > somewhere that you may not even know about. > > > > We have almost two thousand five hundred people here on this list alone. > > While that's not many in the grand scheme of the entire world population, > > it sure is a lot when it comes to a company receiving emails or phone calls > > or tweets. > > > > If you were to receive even a thousand emails in a week, all commenting on > > or asking for the same thing, I guarantee you you would sit up and take > > notice. > > > > I am on this journey right along with you and everyone else here. So while > > I may not personally have every answer we need, I am absolutely confident > > beyond any doubt that we can do more now to really assure that our voices > > be heard and that we take that extra step to do all we can to make the > > technology we need accessible or to make sure it stays usable and > > beneficial for us. > > > > As has already been said here, if the touch tone bug had happened to the > > sighted market, there would have been nothing short of outrage. -But you > > know that that kind of bug would never have happened to sighted purchasers > > of the iPhone. So my point is that while yes, we need absolutely, to be > > thankful for what we have and what some amazing folks are willing to go the > > extra mile to make available to us, we also need to simply speak up and > > guide them. -Or in some cases, we need to really bring about the point that > > these common technologies now are a real need for us. > > > > This sort of thing is our responsibility. What I am saying is to use the > > tools that we have in order to connect with the developers or companies > > that we can connect with and don't give up. Continue to intelligently let > > them know that you need equal access and how important it is for all of us. > > Understand that access is not just being able to use a device but it is > > also being abel to use that device as easily and comfortably as compared to > > our sighted counterparts in as much as that is possible with current > > technologies and capabilities. This means making the experience of using > > that product helpful and enjoyable for us, not an arduous and frustrating > > process. We can take the definition of accessibility and move it forward > > and help others to understand that. > > > > As I said, there are people who are interested and who will listen. If you > > don't find them on the first try, then just do it again. You *will* find > > them and they *will * listen. > > > > There are also organizations that we already have that have been helping us > > all throughout this process. Maybe you don't agree with one or the other of > > them, but just make the step to check in with one of them. That's a start. > > See what they think of the situation and if they may already have a plan to > > address it. > > > > If you want better Android accessibility for example, perhaps someone at a > > local chapter of ACB or NFB or perhaps your local rehab organization has > > someone who has also given this some thought. By doing this, you have just > > created an alliance where there was none previously. This way more ideas > > happen and those ideas find motion. Does this make sense? > > > > > > These are just a few ideas I have. What are yours? How do you think we > > might help ourselves to assure that accessibility can continue to thrive > > and improve and grow as it needs to now?... > > > > Thanks so much for reading and for your question. > > > > Have a great day! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Cara > > --- > > iOS design and development - LookTel.com > > --- > > View my Online Portfolio at: > > > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn > > > > Follow me on Twitter! > > > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > > > On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Marshall Scott <mfsc...@me.com> wrote: > > > > I may be particularly stupid this morning, but how do you suggest that we > > do so. Do organizations like ACB and NFB do anything to make these kind of > > suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Marshall > > > >> On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Jonathan and all; > >> > >> I absolutely agree here. I myself have been considering the possibility of > >> other phone options in light of what I consider to be a real concern of > >> degrading quality and user experience. Yes, I have felt trapped as well so > >> to speak. > >> > >> This is part of the reason I feel that as a community, now more than ever, > >> we really need to be seeing ourselves not as iPhone users vs Android > >> users, or Apple vs Windows users, but simply as blind or visually impaired > >> people who need accessible technology in their lives. > >> > >> I feel that we all need to really push for a good access experience in all > >> of the technologies we need to rely on on a daily basis. I feel this is > >> vitally important for us. We need to have choices at this point and > >> companies need to know that we need this. This is not a want. This is not > >> a nice-to-have at this point, this is a need. > >> > >> Technology is now not only ubiquitous but is a crucial part of daily life > >> for everyone and we absolutely need to stay in the forefront of all of it.. > >> > >> We have been fortunate to have this experience with Apple products and > >> this has made so many people's lives infinitely better. I not only wish to > >> see this continue to go forward with Apple but also with Android and other > >> technologies as well. Please know how important it is to support companies > >> that are providing us with accessible offerings and that they need to know > >> how much you need these but also how they can improve these experiences > >> for all of us. > >> > >> Remember, technology is a need for us now, the days of it being a > >> nice-to-have are gone. The landscape has changed. Because of the place > >> that technology now occupies in the world and in people's lives, it is now > >> basically a right. Developers and companies need to really understand this > >> in a positive way. We can help them to do this. > >> > >> Thanks for reading, and thanks to you all for such a great thread. > >> > >> Have a great day! > >> > >> Cheers! > >> > >> Cara > >> --- > >> iOS design and development - LookTel.com > >> --- > >> View my Online Portfolio at: > >> > >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn > >> > >> Follow me on Twitter! > >> > >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara > >> > >> On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Mary, yes, when it comes to mobile phones at least, I must confess to > >> feeling increasingly trapped. > >> There are excellent alternative tablets and computers, but it's the phone > >> that it's tricky to find an alternative for. > >> Jonathan Mosen > >> Mosen Consulting > >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > >> http://Mosen.org > >> > >>> On 2/12/2015, at 5:02 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Jonathan, > >>> I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not > >>> been trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so I do > >>> not know what the public reaction to that story has been. But, while I am > >>> not hearing impaired, I absolutely join you in your condemnation of this > >>> possibility. We don't need thinner iPhones. We just don't. And 1 mm? Who > >>> is going to notice one stinking millimeter? For that, Apple will make me > >>> buy some stupid little connector to use my headphones with? And they will > >>> probably charge $30 for it even though the parts cost them five. And then > >>> when I lose said connector, which is almost inevitable, I will get to buy > >>> another one. This just looks like a cheap crappy trick for Apple to make > >>> more money off of people who are willing to keep paying top dollar for > >>> increasingly shoddy products. If they did this, and android weren't such > >>> a mess in some fairly fundamental ways for blind screen reader users, I > >>> would really consider switching to android. But, web browsing and > >>> continuous reading and some other things are still so bad on that > >>> platform that such a switch is untenable if you want to use your device > >>> efficiently. My opinion only of course. > >>> Mary > >>> > >>> Mary > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by > >>>> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure > >>>> whether Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this > >>>> idea gets. > >>>> > >>>> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been > >>>> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone > >>>> jack, so Apple can make the phone thinner. > >>>> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 > >>>> hours ago. Here goes. > >>>> > >>>> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn't the only criterion > >>>> that determines what I use. If thin and light doesn't give me the > >>>> performance I need, I'm happy to choose something heavier or bigger. > >>>> > >>>> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed > >>>> absolutely enormous, and I thought I'd never get used to it. Now I'm on > >>>> the 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery > >>>> life and the bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right > >>>> choice for me. > >>>> > >>>> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a > >>>> 15-inch MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of > >>>> RAM and 1TB solid state storage. > >>>> > >>>> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I've > >>>> therefore given it the nickname "The Big Kahuna". But it fits in my > >>>> backpack just fine when I travel, it isn't really that arduous to take > >>>> places, and the thing is, it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for > >>>> a few apps and functions, but Windows is still my primary operating > >>>> system. With a laptop this fast and powerful, I can run JAWS in a > >>>> virtual machine with superb results, and still tend to iMessages and > >>>> FaceTime calls. > >>>> > >>>> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, "oy, what have I done? > >>>> This thing is so cute!" But the performance factor soon reminds me that > >>>> I made the right decision for my particular needs. > >>>> > >>>> There's plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now.. If you > >>>> want to go ultra-portable, there's the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which > >>>> is just adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a > >>>> single USB type C port, which is the only way both to connect > >>>> peripherals to it and charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it > >>>> charitably, an acquired taste. > >>>> > >>>> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs > >>>> of the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word > >>>> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs > >>>> plenty of grunt and is willing to lug it around. > >>>> > >>>> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are > >>>> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen > >>>> sizes. So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm > >>>> headphone jack in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned. > >>>> > >>>> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no > >>>> official statement about the future of the headphone jack. It's only a > >>>> rumour.. But I read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know > >>>> which sources tend to be more reliable. The source of this story, the > >>>> Japanese technology site Mac Otakara, has a good track record. No news > >>>> site that reports things like this gets it right 100% of the time > >>>> though. It's also possible that Apple wants to monitor customer reaction > >>>> to the idea, by letting it leak.. But there's no doubt that decisions as > >>>> fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have already been > >>>> taken. > >>>> > >>>> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours. > >>>> > >>>> Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence > >>>> of the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn't be a big > >>>> deal.. Some of us really, genuinely need it. > >>>> > >>>> The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, > >>>> because it's preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they > >>>> removed the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of > >>>> the phone. > >>>> > >>>> If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a > >>>> Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning > >>>> port have been available since 2014. > >>>> > >>>> According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to > >>>> analogue converter, so you'd still be able to connect 3.5mm headphones. > >>>> There is no word in the story that this Lightning port would be in > >>>> addition to the one already on iPhones, implying that you'll have one > >>>> port for both charging your device and listening to wired headphones or > >>>> connecting the device to a mixer. > >>>> > >>>> My first objection to this rumour is a philosophical one. 3.5mm > >>>> headphone jacks are ubiquitous. The standard is supported by a massive > >>>> number of manufacturers. It would be sad if Apple required its users to > >>>> carry a proprietary adapter, probably sold separately, to connect > >>>> standard equipment to their single proprietary port. But they've done > >>>> this before. Even on my maxed out MacBook Pro, I have to buy a special > >>>> adapter just to connect to wired Ethernet. > >>>> > >>>> My remaining concerns relate to functionality. As a hearing-aid wearer, > >>>> I use my iPhone with a cable between the headphone jack and my hearing > >>>> aids about 95% of the time. There's no latency because it's analogue all > >>>> the way, and since no Bluetooth is involved, it's energy efficient in > >>>> terms of hearing aid battery usage. The Lightning to analogue adapter > >>>> would be one additional device to carry, use and potentially lose, and > >>>> it would mean that I couldn't use my iPhone in the way that is optimal > >>>> for me while I'm charging it. There's also the possibility that the > >>>> digital to analogue converter may introduce latency. That wouldn't be > >>>> important for most tasks, but it would be detrimental to all VoiceOver > >>>> users who use 3.5mm devices, not just hearing aid wearers. > >>>> > >>>> But there's always Bluetooth, and that's the way the world is going, > >>>> right? There may be a few exceptions, but the majority of Bluetooth > >>>> audio I've used on iOS is laggy with VoiceOver, Apple's built-in screen > >>>> reader for blind people like me, that I find it a frustrating, > >>>> sub-optimal experience. Streamers for hearing aid wearers often power > >>>> down very quickly after VoiceOver has stopped speaking, to save energy. > >>>> This means that hearing aid wearers who use VoiceOver with Bluetooth > >>>> streamers often must cope with missing the first second or two of what > >>>> VoiceOver is saying, as the Bluetooth streamer powers up after detecting > >>>> audio. If you're taking a phone call or listening to music, that's no > >>>> big deal, but for a VoiceOver user, it's not a good experience. And > >>>> Bluetooth streamers chew through hearing aid batteries faster than an > >>>> analogue connection, imposing additional costs on hearing aid wearers. > >>>> > >>>> Taking hearing impairment out of the mix, there are many people who use > >>>> the 3.5mm jack, and want to do so while charging their device. Bonnie, > >>>> for example, has a pillow speaker, because she likes the radio on at > >>>> night. It plugs into her iPhone while it's charging. > >>>> > >>>> We may be about to see a similar controversy with iPhone to the one that > >>>> greeted the new MacBook's single USB C port and all the inconveniences > >>>> that go with that. When that controversy was at its peak, proponents > >>>> said that Apple often likes to move the tech agenda forward, and that > >>>> they're uniquely positioned to do that by making "bold" decisions like > >>>> this. Sorry, I don't consider a single port for peripherals and charging > >>>> a bold decision. It's just a pain. If you want to use multiple devices, > >>>> you have to buy some sort of hub, which detracts from the convenience of > >>>> having an all-in-one device. > >>>> > >>>> I realise that as a VoiceOver user with a hearing impairment passionate > >>>> about getting the most optimal audio experience, I'm a minority within a > >>>> minority. But if this rumour proves to be true, it will be my queue to > >>>> seriously examine other mobile options. 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