Hi,
I always remember how embarrassing dictation can be, and that
puts me off it, immediately, for once and all. Try telling your
students? It might help.
Sent from a BrailleNote
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From: Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:18:39 -0600
Subject: Re: Why do we want to use a physical keyboard?
First of all, you are asking if your opinion is wrong, and I
would say
no. Personally, I choose to use the virtual keyboard most times.
It
does take a little longer if I use one finger to type but it gets
the
job done. I have also used a Bluetooth keyboard, Braille screen
input,
and the no longer available Fleksy VO app to type in different
situations. Usually I will use the on screen virtual keyboard,
but if
I have to write a longer text I use Fleksy VO. I have also used
the
Perkins keyboard on my Focus 14 Blue Braille display. If I were
teaching someone that has never used an iOS device before, I
would
train them at first on the virtual keyboard, since I think there
is a
high value in using what comes natively on the device. After
they have
mastered the virtual keyboard and understand cursor movement,
then I
might move them up to a Bluetooth keyboard or Siri, but only
after
they have mastered the virtual keyboard. Having options is
great, but
what is even better is being able to choose among those options
in
different situations or environments, and not just always relying
upon
one or two methods because that is what one is used to or has
always
used. I have worked with students before that always use Siri,
and
getting them to switch to a different method can be like pulling
teeth. Some people can't switch due to various limitations. I
will
often ask them, "So how well will Siri work if you are in a noisy
place or waiting for the bus and there's lots of traffic?"
Anyway,
sorry for the rant; just brought to mind teachable moments and
different skill levels and people.
Just my thoughts,
Wayne
On 2/16/16, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
Yes, will I have an iPad mini, the original 16 MB, WIFI only
that I was
given by Tom after I showed him how to use the one we got for
him. It came
with a keyboard cover, but the keys seemed off to me, too small
and no
travel, made so many errors with it that I gave up on using it.
Since I have been alone for the past 20 months I seldom use the
iPad, did
for mail when my computer was down but could not when the
internet went down
last fall, maybe I could have used the phone to connect it but I
did not.
Anyway, I tried to connect the Logitech keyboard I got for Tom
but I am
missing something, it has not worked but I know it did on his
mini and
iPhone, both of which have been passed on to other people.
Keyboard was
new, gave it to him four days before he passed for his birthday,
he liked it
and it does have a great touch but I have not gotten it to
connect, if there
is a key that needs to be pressed I have not found it, wish I
had because
for a Bluetooth it has the best touch I have ever used. Have
Amazon Basics
now, it is okay, at least I can tell when it is on or off, just
connected to
my phone.
My iPad mini seems to have super sensitive touch despite
changing settings
which is one reason I don't give it much of a workout these
days, I would
sell it but it is a dinosaur these days, bought in late August
2013 after I
showed Tom how to use the one he bought to use at the hospital.
Best part is the speaker, for reading books, not bad, I seldom
touch it, not
even sure if it is updated from 8.
Rose Combs
<mailto:roseco...@q.com> roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three
times the
memory!
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why do we want to use a physical keyboard?
Rose, I'm with you. I have been using computers sense the days
of Dos.
Before that, I learned to type in grade school and I don't
'wanna tell ya
how long ago that was! I like dictation on my iPhone 5s, and it
works great
for text messages, short notes, and from time to time, a
personal log entry.
What I'm saying here is, my first choice is to type it. A
keyboard case
gives me all the options I need.
Alan
Sent from my iPad Air
On Feb 16, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
I use a Bluetooth keyboard because I have been typing for more
than 50 years
and am much faster with one, using the onscreen model I get to
thinking
ahead and make a mess unless it is just a very short message.
Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three
times the
memory!
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf
Of Devin Prater
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why do we want to use a physical keyboard?
Your reasoning isn't flawed at all. I use a Bluetooth keyboard
because I'm
faster at it than using the iOS keyboard, and Fleksy often
reverted to
typing exactly where I touched, which means it was garbage being
typed. So I
deleted that, because having to restart voiceover whenever that
happened,
whih was often for me, was a real pain. Braille screen input,
however
amazing, means that I'd have to turn my device to landscape
mode, type,
correct any mistakes, twist the rotor, or do the "back" gesture,
and find
the send button or whatever. With a keyboard, I can just
navigate, using the
keyboard, to the place where I want to type, type, and if in
messenger,
messages, Kik, Whatsapp, and countless other apps, just press
enter to send.
If I'm in outlook Mobile, I'd press command+enter to
automatically send a
message. Other keyboard shortcuts like that work too, in other
apps. Yes, I
have to take two devices, but no, it's not that much worse than
taking an
iPhone and a charger, or an iPhone and a braille display, or a
braille
display and its chargers, or an iPhone and a purse.
Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l
From Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:57 AM -0800, "Krister Ekstrom"
<kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is *not* critizism even though it might seem so. I merely
want to test
my opinion in a matter where i more or less have been accused of
being
wrong.
You see, i want those i tell and sometimes teach about the
iDevices to know
their device thoroughly so that they don't get stuck somewhere
if things
happen and so that they themselves can make an informed choice
about for
example what input method to use and so i have said that if you
want an
iPhone you'll have to learn and know about the virtual keyboard
before you
get to decide if you want to use it or not.
I for example am not using a physical bluetooth keyboard
although i have a
little cute one sitting around here. Now i'm exclusively using
Fleksy for my
typing needs, and sometimes when i'm in a hurry to make a
calendar
appointment for example i use Siri and then go in and edit the
calendar
entry afterwards but before i used Fleksy i used the stock iOs
keyboard.
I have chosen to do this because i don't want to carry many
gadgets with me
all the time, but those are my choices, so please tell me what
in my opinion
is wrong because i am apparently so dence i can't understand
it. What in my
reasoning is flawed?
/Krister
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