Jonathan, You’re right, but, its not totally broken in the iOS controller, just do a three finger swipe up to scroll until you find the service you want, a little tedious but works for now, then once you have double tapped the service you want the rest of the setup of that service works well.
In terms of the Mac controller, yes, this needs work, its my next job! :) My answer though about using PC/Mac controllers was not supposed to mean that they were accessible :) sorry for any confusion, rather, this is the only option for “accessing” Sonos units from a computer, you cannot, as it were, log in to them directly using an IP etc. Neil Barnfather MBE www.neilbarnfather.com Business Consultant & Disability Advocate Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson. > On 16 Mar 2016, at 23:25, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > > Yes, the Mac Sonos Controller needs a lot of accessibility work. There are > many unlabelled buttons. > I've also found that at least in recent times, the only way I can easily add > a new service is via the PC. It seems to have become inaccessible in the iOS > controller, which other than this is brilliant. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > >> On 17/03/2016, at 10:51 AM, Matthew Janusauskas <mjanusaus...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Neil, >> >> I agree with your comments except for the Mac controller app. I have found >> it's accessibility to be in need of much improvement. >> >> >> On 3/16/2016 4:27 PM, Neil Barnfather wrote: >>> You are unable to take a backup, however, you can factory reset a single >>> Sonos unit in a network of Sonos equipment of 2 or more units, and, the >>> other units shall retain play lists etc. >>> >>> So, say you had two Sonos units, if you factory reset one of them, the >>> other retains all of your play lists and other data, such as accounts etc, >>> then when you re-add the other unit, following reset, it gains that data >>> back. >>> >>> This is why I seemed so confused by why you would want to take a backup. I >>> can not foresee any situation where you would choose to factory erase all >>> Sonos units in a single interaction. >>> >>> As for interacting with the Sonos equipment via browser interface, Sonos >>> have both PC and Mac controllers, which allows you to fully control the >>> Sonos experience as with using either an Android or iOS device, but, >>> nothing more. >>> >>> Its a very Apple like experience, you are basically not supposed to meddle >>> with it, it is plug and play, just power it up and enjoy. You are not >>> supposed to, and I doubt you’d ever need to, route it, hack it, or >>> interface with it in any manner other than those afforded to users via the >>> controllers. >>> Neil Barnfather MBE >>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate >>> >>> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a >>> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of >>> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most >>> successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled >>> spokesperson. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 20:53, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Backup of playlists in case of factory reset. The information on memory >>>> will also be deleted. I was thinking about some kind of backup of the >>>> index playlist database file. >>>> >>>> Have two more questions: >>>> >>>> Is it possible to access the Sonos connect via web? Local network >>>> 192.168.1.1 for example. If so, can you administrate Sonos devices and >>>> playlists from here? >>>> >>>> Regarding playlists from internet streams, is there any difference in >>>> stability like for example that the music stops using wifi or Sonos bridge >>>> network? >>>> >>>> I will also thank you and others for the good work with accessibility with >>>> Sonos. >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> >>>> 16. mars 2016 kl. 17:52 skrev Neil Barnfather <for...@talknav.com>: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I’m uncertain as to the value in a backup feature for playlists, since >>>> I’ve powered my Sonos units on and off hundreds of times, even moved homes >>>> with them, they’ve never lost anything, so, quite what situation one might >>>> wish to backup their data set within I cannot foresee. >>>> >>>> The PlayBar has 9 speakers, three tweeters, three mids, and three base for >>>> left, right and centre. >>>> >>>> The unit, by default is in fact 3 or so inches tall, and 8 inches deep, >>>> with about 38 inches wide. It can be mounted, and has sensors within it, >>>> either flat with the 3 inches being height, or upright with the height >>>> then being 8 inches and depth being 3 inches. When wall mounted this is >>>> how it is. Sonos make a branded wall mount for the PlayBar but not any of >>>> the Play stand alone units. >>>> >>>> In short, I’d buy a PlayBar only if I were connecting it to a TV, but if >>>> you’re only looking for a music experience, stick to the stand alone >>>> units, preferably as stereo pairs, being either 2 x Play 1, 3 or 5. >>>> >>>> Its been a wonderful experience working with Sonos to perfect much of the >>>> interface for Voice Over users over the past 4 years now, I find them >>>> responsive and often calling me up to ask how to make things better, I’m >>>> not being unfair by saying that the Trueplay tuning tool works perfectly >>>> well now within test software for blind users and it does, in my opinion, >>>> make a notable difference in certain environments. >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather MBE >>>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>>> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate >>>> >>>> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a >>>> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of >>>> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s >>>> most successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised >>>> disabled spokesperson. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 11 Mar 2016, at 20:06, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Listen before you buy. Or be sure to have a return policy. This is true >>>>> with all audio hifi gear. >>>>> >>>>> I heard rumours that Sonos was looking at developing an online backup >>>>> solution of playlists made within the Sonos app. From for example Tidal, >>>>> Spotify and apple music and hard drive into a single playlist in the >>>>> Sonos app. A backup in «my account» in Sonos online. Have this happened >>>>> yet? >>>>> >>>>> It is possible to use a play1, 3 or 5 as a backup if you don’t reset one >>>>> of these. Choose connect to exciting network after reset of a device. Did >>>>> not get an answer about online backup from support. Therefore, i ask here. >>>>> >>>>> Take care >>>>> >>>>> 11. mars 2016 kl. 20:12 skrev Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Well, I will let the experts answer most of your questions. I can tell >>>>> you that the AppleTV will work with Sonos play bar. I was told to make >>>>> sure that I use Dolby Digital for this to work. As far as speakers are >>>>> concerned, my understanding is at the play bar contains nine speakers. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 11, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Ron Pelletier <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sieghard, >>>>>> >>>>>> I did not read yet about the playbar. Can you give me an idea of the >>>>>> difference in sound I would have against my high end Yamaha which, as >>>>>> you well said, is not very accessible at all except for basic functions. >>>>>> >>>>>> For instance, could I plug in my CD player into the playbar? How large >>>>>> is it? Does it include speakers. I have now moved to a smaller apartment >>>>>> and, in time, I would like to modernise and go smaller. I have 2 large >>>>>> Rega speakers, 2 medium size Mission speakers and a subwover and all >>>>>> that takes a lot of space. I have to say that my set-top box is plugged >>>>>> into my sound system so that the TV sounds very good. In time, I would >>>>>> also like to get an Apple TV. Would it go into the Sonos Playbar? >>>>>> >>>>>> A lot to think about. My sound system is about 8 years old and still >>>>>> working very well for now. Would it be a waste for now to get the >>>>>> Connect and then use it later on as you are using yours? My bedroom >>>>>> is very small so I’m wondering if the Play1 speakers would be enough. >>>>>> I guess I’ll have to find a Sonos dealer in Montreal to see if I can go >>>>>> and listen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron & Danvers >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 12:59 PM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: RE: Sonos >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ron, >>>>>> >>>>>> What you describe will work fine. The question is how old your Yamaha >>>>>> system is and your end goal. I bought a high-end Sony surround receiver >>>>>> in 2009 which at the time was $1,500 and since I already had a Sonos >>>>>> Connect I did exactly what you are planning to do. I had two front, a >>>>>> centre and two rear in-ceiling speakers hooked up, but no Subwover. 3 >>>>>> years ago I ended up caving in and I ordered a Playbar, Sonos Su and 2 >>>>>> Play 1 speakers as rear speakers and I have never looked back. My living >>>>>> room gained more space since my two front speakers are gone, my >>>>>> TV/stereo shelf doesn’t have a huge receiver sitting on it and I am now >>>>>> using that Connect player at my store and there is a lot less cable. >>>>>> Also, there is of course the fact that Sonos is fully accessible whereas >>>>>> my Sony receiver was useable in terms of switching inputs and basic >>>>>> functions, but a lot of advanced functionality was not accessible. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you aren’t planning to get rid of your Yamaha receiver and speakers >>>>>> I’d say go for the Connect, but if it’s an older system you may consider >>>>>> buying a Playbar instead of a Connect and later add a Sub and two Play 1 >>>>>> as surround. >>>>>> >>>>>> Using a Play 3 or Play 5 in the bedroom is of course a great idea, here >>>>>> you really have to decide how much you can and want to spend. It used to >>>>>> be that the Play 1, 3 and 5 were $199, $299 and $399 US, but now the new >>>>>> Play 5 jumped up to $499 so you could buy a set of Play 1 and put them >>>>>> into stereo mode for less than a single Play 5. You should maybe go to a >>>>>> reseller that sells Sonos and listen to a single Play 5 as well as a set >>>>>> of Play 1 and a set of Play 3 to decide. Of course if you set up two >>>>>> Play 1 or Play 3 in the bedroom you wouldn’t want to take one of them >>>>>> outside since each time you would have to re-establish the stereo >>>>>> pairing which maybe a bit of a pain. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just remember that Sonos is extremely flexible and while you may not be >>>>>> able to buy all you would like all at once, you can just add to it over >>>>>> a few years. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Pelletier >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:16 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: RE: Sonos >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi you two Sonos Experts, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a good Yamaha sound system in my living room with 4 speakers and >>>>>> woofer. Since I am on a limited budget, my thinking is that I should >>>>>> first get a Sonos Connect to get the sound into that system and then get >>>>>> a Sonos speaker or two for my bedroom. One of these speakers, I guess, >>>>>> could easily be brought on my patio on a nice day until I can afford an >>>>>> outdoors speaker. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think of my reasoning and, please make suggestions if its is >>>>>> a little off. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron & Danvers >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 11:46 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: RE: Sonos >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>>>> >>>>>> First of all, welcome to Sonos, I didn’t know you had bought into it, >>>>>> but it definitely is awesome. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the Connect, I understand that I could get any wireless headset >>>>>> setup and plug it into the RCA line-out or Optical out on the Connect. >>>>>> But considering that most of the wireless headsets I would consider are >>>>>> between $300 and $500 I really was waiting for a true Sonos headset. If >>>>>> Somebody who wouldn’t normally need a Connect has to buy one just for >>>>>> that purpose then it also becomes a pretty expensive headset solution. >>>>>> When I bought my first Sonos products in 2009 it was 3 Connect Amp which >>>>>> then were called ZP120 and 2 Connect which were the ZP90 back then. They >>>>>> only had those players then and actually a set of stand-alone bookshelf >>>>>> type speakers. The Play 5 which started out as the S5 came I think in >>>>>> 2011 and I bought it then. Anyhow, I am still holding out for a native >>>>>> Sonos headset as I am convinced it will be coming at some point. My >>>>>> thought is that they do have to release a new product sometime and now >>>>>> that they have 3 portable players, a soundbar and Sub it must be >>>>>> something they consider especially considering that I am not the only >>>>>> one asking for it. I once talked to a Sonos customer service guy and >>>>>> mentioned it and he said he gets people asking for it on a pretty >>>>>> regular bases and you find stuff like “Dear Sonos, please make me >>>>>> headphones! | iMore” when you Google around for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I really like about Sonos is the longevity of their products. While >>>>>> my Zp120 units are now called Connect Amp and my ZP90 is now the >>>>>> Connect, they still are essentially the same units even though mine are >>>>>> now 7 years old. It’s nice to see a company that makes some good >>>>>> hardware which is then improved over time with software updates. The >>>>>> only Sonos product which was a bit of a flop was the 30-Pin dock which >>>>>> they sold back in the iPhone 4/4S days. It was I think around $120 at >>>>>> the time and basically was a dock which acted as a stand-alone player >>>>>> and it also had a headphone jack. I still have mine but of course >>>>>> haven’t used it in many years since I don’t feel I want to invest in a >>>>>> 30-Pin to Lightning adapter and if I really want my iPhone connected I >>>>>> have a RCA to 3.5mm cable plugged into the Connect Amp in my bedroom and >>>>>> I just plug it in there, but mostly I just use Airplay since I have an >>>>>> Airport Express connected to one of my other Connect Amp units to add >>>>>> Airplay to my Sonos system. That, by the way, would be one of my other >>>>>> very few items of criticism, I think at least the new players that were >>>>>> releaed in the last few years should have built-in Airplay compatibility >>>>>> and all 3 portable players, the Play 1, 3 and 5 should have a 3.5mm >>>>>> headphone jack. >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, off my soapbox I step since I have to get ready for work *smile*. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 6:37 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Sonos >>>>>> >>>>>> While a headphone jack on some of the units might be nice, I'm not >>>>>> convinced any new product is necessary, because Sonos already has one >>>>>> called the Connect. You can easily plug headphones into this, and indeed >>>>>> I have a device plugged into a connect that sends any audio from Sonos >>>>>> directly to my hearing aids. You can set it up as a room of its own or >>>>>> group it with another. For example, we have a Sonos PlayBar, sub, and >>>>>> two Play:1s in our living room for 5.1 surround sound. When we're >>>>>> watching a movie, I send audio to a Sonos connect as well so I get the >>>>>> sound of the movie straight into my hearing aids. But it could easily be >>>>>> wireless or wired headphones plugged in there. >>>>>> Becoming a Sonos household has been the coolest tech we've adopted since >>>>>> iPhone. I love this stuff. >>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>>> http://Mosen.org >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/03/2016, at 7:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marie, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, sadly Sonos at this point is all about listening out loud and all I >>>>>> can say is to call Sonos or submit feedback via their website to let >>>>>> them know they really need to look at designing a stand-alone headset >>>>>> which would act as a separate Sonos Player. I’ve been waiting fore this >>>>>> for at least the last 2 or 3 years and each year I hope they’ll announce >>>>>> such a product. Of course there are many situations where one would want >>>>>> to listen privately with a headset and considering how much of a focus >>>>>> there has been on headsets in the last few years I don’t get it how >>>>>> Sonos isn’t jumping on that bandwagon. I think there could be either one >>>>>> of two products or both: >>>>>> one would be high-quality stand-alone audio file quality headphones but >>>>>> of course such a product would be very pricy considering one can easily >>>>>> spend $500 to $1,000 or even more on true audio file quality wired >>>>>> headphones. I think a product around $500 to $700 US from Sonos would be >>>>>> the right price point and one where they could really make it sound >>>>>> awesome. >>>>>> The other product which I think should be a companion to the headphones >>>>>> would be a small iPhone-size or slightly thicker headphone amp with >>>>>> rechargeable battery, a quarter inch headphone jack and belt clip. This >>>>>> would be the product that connects to the Sonos system and acts as a >>>>>> separate player and it would allow users to plug in any headset or >>>>>> headphones they have from a cheap $20 pair of earbuds to a pair of >>>>>> Sennheiser HD800S for $1,699 which is probably about as good as it gets. >>>>>> A product like this should maybe cost $250 to $400 or $500 at most if >>>>>> they put in really good components and if Sonos were to make only one >>>>>> product I hope it would be this one as it offers a lot more flexibility >>>>>> with headsets users already own. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Marie >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:50 AM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Sonos >>>>>> >>>>>> I was just reading the reviews of the Sonos Play 5 and there were >>>>>> complaints that there was no output jack on this speaker? I was under >>>>>> the impressions that it did have a headphone jack but wonder if it was >>>>>> removed in the newer model. This is a real turn off for me. 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