How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. /Krister
Skickat från min iPhone > 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > <[email protected]>: > > Hi Gordon, > > I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and > I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 > phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results > which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the > paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its > coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for > it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I > decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" > of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the > app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride > and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I > could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, > which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight > at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right > ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. > > I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting > position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not choosing > to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have splendid > success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other half, this > used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while > to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting on > his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is faster than he is > at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) > > I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen before, > having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, but this > isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved equal > results, having never seen! > > Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could > give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be > actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one can > follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. > > Just my twopence worth. > > Sandy. > > sent from the dark side of the moon > >> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very >> good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m >> totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good >> spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and >> although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is >> good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> >>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people >>> acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. >>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but >>> those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for >>> KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; >>> fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for >>> translations. >>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no >>> purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >>> >>> S poštovanjem >>> Gordan Radić >>> >>> <nemoviz_animated.gif> >>> <email.png> <facebook.png> <twitter.png> >>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or >>>> two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete >>>> form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning >>>> the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in >>>> fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader >>>> side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB >>>> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled >>>> text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case >>>> I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page >>>> perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better >>>> results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking >>>> Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document >>>> you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a >>>> free, ad-supported version. >>>> >>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and >>>> reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a >>>> refund. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Grant >>>> >>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The >>>>> real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one >>>>> pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an >>>>> effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app >>>>> work >>>>> wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. 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