Krista, Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting good results.
Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks with you. but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can see what you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of the box in my case. feel free to ask for ideas, Sandy sent from the dark side of the moon > On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]> wrote: > > How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. > I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong > vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list > and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on > sighted help for reading text. > /Krister > > > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >> <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi Gordon, >> >> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and >> I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 >> phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results >> which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the >> paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to >> its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot >> for it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I >> decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" >> of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the >> app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride >> and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I >> could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, >> which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no >> sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right >> ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. >> >> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting >> position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not >> choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have >> splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other >> half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took >> quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as >> him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is >> faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) >> >> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen before, >> having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, but this >> isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved equal >> results, having never seen! >> >> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could >> give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be >> actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one can >> follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. >> >> Just my twopence worth. >> >> Sandy. >> >> sent from the dark side of the moon >> >>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very >>> good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m >>> totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good >>> spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and >>> although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is >>> good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people >>>> acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. >>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but >>>> those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for >>>> KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; >>>> fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for >>>> translations. >>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no >>>> purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >>>> >>>> S poštovanjem >>>> Gordan Radić >>>> >>>> <nemoviz_animated.gif> >>>> <email.png> <facebook.png> <twitter.png> >>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one >>>>> or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete >>>>> form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact >>>>> aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that the >>>>> image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and >>>>> KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted >>>>> assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a >>>>> couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB >>>>> Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty >>>>> aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any >>>>> question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live >>>>> text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at >>>>> least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an >>>>> internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. >>>>> >>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and >>>>> reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a >>>>> refund. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> >>>>> Grant >>>>> >>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The >>>>>> real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one >>>>>> pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an >>>>>> effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app >>>>>> work >>>>>> wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. 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