Hi Krister, I must agree with Sandy in that you have gotten plenty of help. I have been reading this thread and several people have explained exactly what they do to make it work. I think Ron explained how he is holding the phone with both elbows on the side of the page they want to scan which gives you pretty much the correct distance etc. I also remember replying to you in the past explaining that I usually put the phone down on the page with the touchscreen facing up so that the corner of the phone where the back camera is located is approx. in the middle of the page. At first it may be helpful to fold the page lightly in half in both directions since where those two folds meet is exactly the centre of the page. If you do this a few times and check the distance of the left and bottom edge of the page to the left and bottom edge of the phone you quickly get an idea on how the phone should be positioned. Once I have it more or less lined up with the page I grip the edges with my right hand and lift the phone straight up and away from the page to a height of about 10 or 12 inches. I think you are in Sweden, so that would be 25 to 30 cm or about the length of an 8.5x11 or A4 size page. It’s almost better to lift it a few inches higher than not high enough. At that point you can do your field of view report or correct any tilt if the phone is vibrating and take your picture. It was also pointed out several times that practicing when you have a sighted person around who can correct you is very helpful.
To me it sounds like you haven’t been able to get good results and even though people have replied and explained what they do (Ron, Sandy, myself and others) you are at this point sarcastic and cynical about it. Regards, Sieghard From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. /Krister Skickat från min iPhone 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: Hi Gordon, I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved equal results, having never seen! Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. Just my twopence worth. Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. Cheers, Anne On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi! Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for translations. Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić<mailto://[email protected]> <nemoviz_animated.gif><http://www.nemoviz.org/> <email.png><mailto://[email protected]> <facebook.png><http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz> <twitter.png><http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a refund. Hope this helps, Grant On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one pause. 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