That was jim Gashel's technique, but I notice that he now says that he uses
a stand.
Andy
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From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: KNFB reader
Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and
your hands up straight, hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it free
hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
Thanks for the info
/Krister
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2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>:
Krista,
Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the
same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try
again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting
good results.
Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say
that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this
subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the
camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that
it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us do you
have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks with you.
but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can see what
you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I first
started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it worked for
me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of the box in my
case.
feel free to ask for ideas,
Sandy
sent from the dark side of the moon
On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv
reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i
do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked
on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i
rely entirely on sighted help for reading text.
/Krister
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2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>:
Hi Gordon,
I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both
she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back,
using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we
did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good
over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or
rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest
and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then
announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would
never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the
adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the
app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my
pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in
those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly
on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2
years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so
useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5
percent of my earlier success.
I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting
position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not
choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have
splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my
other half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because
it took quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am
as quick as him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is
opened, KNFB is faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more
accurate!!)
I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen
before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the
camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list,
have achieved equal results, having never seen!
Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I
could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary
to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods
which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial
awareness.
Just my twopence worth.
Sandy.
sent from the dark side of the moon
On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had
very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader
and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether
we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a
young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55
years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use
apps with the camera.
Cheers,
Anne
On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind
people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a
ferrytale to me.
I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber
but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed
bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for
me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases
for translations.
Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's
no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion.
S poštovanjem
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1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la:
Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably.
Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page,
one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in
incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was
in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told
that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also
tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again
with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas
Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have
some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s
because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page
perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get
better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition,
Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll
know what document you’re holding. It requires an internet
connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version.
I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store
and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t
offered a refund.
Hope this helps,
Grant
On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The
real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag
gives one
pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an
effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader
app work
wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error.
Thanks
for your thoughts in advance.
Joe
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