Andy,
The stand doesn't do anything when you're on the go or especially not when you
try to read something posted on the wall. I'm sure Jim doesn't use a stand when
he's on the go.
Ron & Danvers
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
That was jim Gashel's technique, but I notice that he now says that he uses a
stand.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: KNFB reader
Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, hold
the phone in your hand and take the picture.
At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
>I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it
>free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
>Thanks for the info
>/Krister
>
>
>Skickat från min iPhone
>
>2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>:
>
>>Krista,
>>Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't
>>the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to
>>try again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of
>>getting good results.
>>
>>Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to
>>say that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on
>>this subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using
>>the camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not
>>agree that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because
>>many of us do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and
>>tricks with you.
>>but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can see
>>what you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I
>>first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it
>>worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of
>>the box in my case.
>>
>>feel free to ask for ideas,
>>Sandy
>>
>>sent from the dark side of the moon
>>
>>On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom
>><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv
>>>reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the
>>>hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I
>>>have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten
>>>any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text.
>>>/Krister
>>>
>>>
>>>Skickat från min iPhone
>>>
>>>2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>>Hi Gordon,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was
>>>> both she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years
>>>> back, using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a
>>>> challenge, but we did get some results which would, at the very
>>>> least, give one a good over-view of what was on the paper. When the
>>>> KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its
>>>> coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging
>>>> a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a wacking
>>>> 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more
>>>> example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a
>>>> day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing
>>>> reports of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have
>>>> found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see
>>>> enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen,
>>>> which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have
>>>> had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in
>>>> gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my
>>>> earlier success.
>>>>
>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a
>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special
>>>> effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself)
>>>> of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one to check
>>>> the post, before my other half, this used to drive him mad when I
>>>> was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get results, but
>>>> now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting on his reading
>>>> glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is faster than he is at
>>>> reading it for me (and often more
>>>> accurate!!)
>>>>
>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have
>>>> seen before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of
>>>> the camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this
>>>> list, have achieved equal results, having never seen!
>>>>
>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish
>>>> I could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be
>>>> necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are
>>>> tricks a methods which one can follow and which don't need
>>>> judgement or too much spacial awareness.
>>>>
>>>>Just my twopence worth.
>>>>
>>>>Sandy.
>>>>
>>>>sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>>
>>>>On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson
>>>><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have
>>>>>had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with
>>>>>KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the
>>>>>difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was
>>>>>able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen
>>>>>nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This
>>>>>helps me understand how to use apps with the camera.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>Anne
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić
>>>>>><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>>Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind
>>>>>>people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a
>>>>>>ferrytale to me.
>>>>>>I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and
>>>>>>Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps.
>>>>>>Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial
>>>>>>results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and
>>>>>>now has in-app purchases for translations.
>>>>>>Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else
>>>>>>there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>S poštovanjem
>>>>>><mailto://[email protected]>Gordan Radić
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>>>>>>1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la:
>>>>>>>Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably.
>>>>>>>Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed
>>>>>>>page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud,
>>>>>>>generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make
>>>>>>>sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document
>>>>>>>correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed
>>>>>>>on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side
>>>>>>>with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB
>>>>>>>performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines
>>>>>>>of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader
>>>>>>>also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty
>>>>>>>aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think
>>>>>>>there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB
>>>>>>>Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a
>>>>>>>reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document
>>>>>>>you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but
>>>>>>>there’s a free, ad-supported version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes
>>>>>>>Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but
>>>>>>>I wasn’t offered a refund.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Grant
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe
>>>>>>>><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader?
>>>>>>>>The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price
>>>>>>>>tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment though if
>>>>>>>>people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot
>>>>>>>>seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, and yeah, I
>>>>>>>>fully admit this could just be user error.
>>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>>>for your thoughts in advance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joe
>>>>>>>>
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