Hi Richard, I wonder if he has a glitch in the KNFB app. Maybe he needs to uninstall it and re install it to make sure it is working ok. Ed
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: KNFB reader 'The Light Detector app could help. But, I'm wondering if the issue isn't that the paper and the background you have it on are too much the same color, so KNFB Reader can't detect the edges/corners of the page. Perhaps get a square of black fabric a few centimeters larger than the paper to put the paper on? 'HTH, Richard "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor (Sent from my iPod 6) > On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, please don't get ne wrong. I am trying to form an image in my mind of > what you're saying but for now it doesn't quite work. Will try it though. > > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:28 skrev Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: >> >> Yep i know where the lens is and could have placed it wrongly. Still get >> weird results. The lighting where i normally sit is good or so i've been >> told. Another question is how can i tell if lighting is good? >> >> Skickat från min iPhone >> >>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:09 skrev Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the >>> later, i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per >>> session and still having the same results and since about everyone else >>> seems to manage extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe >>> as i say that it's me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am >>> still looking for a miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain >>> click but as things stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> Skickat från min iPhone >>> >>>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of >>>> measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind >>>> people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. >>>> I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update >>>> where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no >>>> longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time >>>> practicing with me so that's where it stands. >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> Skickat från min iPhone >>>> >>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Krister, >>>>> >>>>> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across >>>>> this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I >>>>> was simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the >>>>> list regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to >>>>> explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal >>>>> and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the >>>>> German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in >>>>> my class had such poor O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6 >>>>> foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and >>>>> hours of O&M training but simply had no sense of direction or special >>>>> awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my >>>>> sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of >>>>> course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and >>>>> was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so >>>>> balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely >>>>> hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt >>>>> myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*. >>>>> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it >>>>> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to >>>>> do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: KNFB reader >>>>> >>>>> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't >>>>> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply >>>>> my fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and >>>>> not say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in >>>>> the least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too >>>>> dumb to understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve >>>>> all the flaming i'll get. >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Skickat från min iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper? >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Skickat från min iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up >>>>>>> straight, hold the phone in your hand and take the picture. >>>>>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: >>>>>>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it >>>>>>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. >>>>>>>> Thanks for the info >>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Krista, >>>>>>>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't >>>>>>>>> the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to >>>>>>>>> try again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of >>>>>>>>> getting good results. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to >>>>>>>>> say that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on >>>>>>>>> this subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people >>>>>>>>> using the camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could >>>>>>>>> not agree that it is impossible for people who don't see it all >>>>>>>>> because many of us do you have success. I am sure we would all share >>>>>>>>> out tips and tricks with you. but, from personal experience, having >>>>>>>>> someone with you who can see what you are doing is a very good way to >>>>>>>>> get started. also, when I first started out with Prismo, I hat to >>>>>>>>> practice like mad before it worked for me. perhaps, this is why the >>>>>>>>> KNFB reader just worked out of the box in my case. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> feel free to ask for ideas, >>>>>>>>> Sandy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom >>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >>>>>>>>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the >>>>>>>>>> hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I >>>>>>>>>> have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten >>>>>>>>>> any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. >>>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gordon, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both >>>>>>>>>>> she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, >>>>>>>>>>> using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but >>>>>>>>>>> we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a >>>>>>>>>>> good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came >>>>>>>>>>> out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at >>>>>>>>>>> its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only >>>>>>>>>>> to then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I >>>>>>>>>>> decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the >>>>>>>>>>> "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of >>>>>>>>>>> its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the >>>>>>>>>>> app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be >>>>>>>>>>> truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if >>>>>>>>>>> the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped >>>>>>>>>>> emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at >>>>>>>>>>> all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right >>>>>>>>>>> ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier >>>>>>>>>>> success. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a >>>>>>>>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any >>>>>>>>>>> special effort, (not choosing to make too much of an >>>>>>>>>>> exhibition of >>>>>>>>>>> myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the >>>>>>>>>>> one to check the post, before my other half, this used to >>>>>>>>>>> drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite >>>>>>>>>>> a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as >>>>>>>>>>> quick as him putting on his reading glasses! Once the >>>>>>>>>>> envelope is opened, KNFB is faster than he is at reading it >>>>>>>>>>> for me (and often more >>>>>>>>>>> accurate!!) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen >>>>>>>>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the >>>>>>>>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, >>>>>>>>>>> have achieved equal results, having never seen! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I >>>>>>>>>>> could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be >>>>>>>>>>> necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are >>>>>>>>>>> tricks a methods which one can follow and which don't need >>>>>>>>>>> judgement or too much spacial awareness. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just my twopence worth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sandy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson >>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have >>>>>>>>>>>> had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with >>>>>>>>>>>> KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the >>>>>>>>>>>> difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was >>>>>>>>>>>> able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This >>>>>>>>>>>> helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind >>>>>>>>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a >>>>>>>>>>>>> ferrytale to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial >>>>>>>>>>>>> results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free >>>>>>>>>>>>> and now has in-app purchases for translations. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else >>>>>>>>>>>>> there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble >>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> S poštovanjem >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto://[email protected]>Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/><nemoviz_animated.gif> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto://[email protected]><email.png> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz><facebook.p ng> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014><twitter.png> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader >>>>>>>>>>>>>> side by side with two documents, again with sighted >>>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an internet connection to work, but there’s a free, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ad-supported version. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn’t offered a refund. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reader? The real-time reading function sounds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intriguing, but the price tag gives one pause. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind the investment though if people can show it's an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KNFB Reader app work wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could just be user error. 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