But what about aMedia live reader? I think enough people have not used it yet.
On 7/6/16, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > My biggest problem with shooting any kind of picture is that when I have the > phone held in a hand, or even both, I have hand tremors. What I do to > compensate for this is braced the phone against my chin, which helps > immensely. I also use Seighard's tip placing the corner where the phone's > camera is as close to the exact middle of the page as possible, then lift > The phone up as evenly as I can. Then I use the field of you report to check > how well I've done, and then shoot the picture. This is where bracing the > phone against my chin really helps. Also, I use the split-tap method to > activate the buttons, as double-tapping them tends to make the phone move. > > > Thanks, > Ari > >> On Jul 2, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Krister, >> >> I must agree with Sandy in that you have gotten plenty of help. I have >> been reading this thread and several people have explained exactly what >> they do to make it work. I think Ron explained how he is holding the phone >> with both elbows on the side of the page they want to scan which gives you >> pretty much the correct distance etc. I also remember replying to you in >> the past explaining that I usually put the phone down on the page with the >> touchscreen facing up so that the corner of the phone where the back >> camera is located is approx. in the middle of the page. At first it may be >> helpful to fold the page lightly in half in both directions since where >> those two folds meet is exactly the centre of the page. If you do this a >> few times and check the distance of the left and bottom edge of the page >> to the left and bottom edge of the phone you quickly get an idea on how >> the phone should be positioned. Once I have it more or less lined up with >> the page I grip the edges with my right hand and lift the phone straight >> up and away from the page to a height of about 10 or 12 inches. I think >> you are in Sweden, so that would be 25 to 30 cm or about the length of an >> 8.5x11 or A4 size page. It’s almost better to lift it a few inches higher >> than not high enough. At that point you can do your field of view report >> or correct any tilt if the phone is vibrating and take your picture. It >> was also pointed out several times that practicing when you have a sighted >> person around who can correct you is very helpful. >> >> To me it sounds like you haven’t been able to get good results and even >> though people have replied and explained what they do (Ron, Sandy, myself >> and others) you are at this point sarcastic and cynical about it. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Krister Ekstrom >> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:17 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Amedia Live Reader >> >> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i >> do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked >> on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely >> entirely on sighted help for reading text. >> /Krister >> >> >> Skickat från min iPhone >> >> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >> <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi Gordon, >> >> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she >> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the >> old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some >> results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what >> was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype >> leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't >> be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a >> wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one more >> example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or >> so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the >> app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly >> liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted >> sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for >> the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used >> to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within >> 5 percent of my earlier success. >> >> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting >> position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not >> choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have >> splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other >> half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took >> quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as >> him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is >> faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) >> >> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen >> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, >> but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved >> equal results, having never seen! >> >> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could >> give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be >> actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one >> can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. >> >> Just my twopence worth. >> >> Sandy. >> >> sent from the dark side of the moon >> >> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had >> very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and >> I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have >> good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young >> child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my >> visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the >> camera. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people >> acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me. >> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but >> those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for >> KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for me; >> fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for >> translations. >> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no >> purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >> >> S poštovanjem >> Gordan Radić >> <nemoviz_animated.gif> >> <email.png> >> <facebook.png> >> <twitter.png> >> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or >> two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete >> form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning >> the camera and the document correctly and was told that the image was in >> fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader >> side by side with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB >> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled >> text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case >> I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page >> perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better >> results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking >> Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document >> you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a >> free, ad-supported version. >> >> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and >> reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a >> refund. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Grant >> >> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The >> real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives one >> pause. I don't mind the investment though if people can show it's an >> effective app. I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app >> work >> wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. 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