I couldn't agree with you more, Christopher. The notion that you have to have headphones to do dictation is insane. And you didn't used to have to have them. So this is a bug and it needs to be fixed. But it didn't start with iOS 9 .34. And while it is extremely inconvenient, it is not the end of the world, like that article seems to be saying. Mary
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't agree with this sentiment. This feature should work, and someone > should have to grab a pair of headphones just to use the dictate feature on > their phone. Sighted users don't have to do this. > >> On 24/08/16 19:48, Anthony Vece wrote: >> If this is a real problem use earphyyones. Some people just look for trouble. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> That article reads like alarmist "click bait." I am running iOS 9.3.4 on my >>> phone and not a single problem with VoiceOver and dictation. >>> >>> The article seems to also be written by someone with no firsthand >>> experience with VoiceOver--it doesn't even seem as though he bothered >>> testing this incorrect statements. He never tried turning on VoiceOver and >>> testing for himself, he was happy enough with the following information to >>> then write his article as though it were scientific fact: >>> >>> "Having been contacted by several blind users about this problem, they told >>> me the only workaround is to turn off VoiceOver, turn on dictation, speak, >>> turn off dictation then turn VoiceOver back on. This is about 10 steps and >>> unfortunately for the blind, turning off VoiceOver is a very risky move yet >>> voice dictation is essential." >>> >>> Oh yeah, turning off VoiceOver, speaking, then turning it back on is >>> actually 3 steps not 10 nor is it as dangerous as the author believes. >>> >>> JR >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:10 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise >>> >>> Interesting how not a single message about this issue was posted on this >>> list. Dictation may not work in 9.3.4, but it definitely worked in previous >>> iOS 9 versions since I used it all the time before installing iOS 10 beta >>> so I’m not sure why the article says this was broken since the beginning in >>> iOS 9. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Russ Kiehne >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:00 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought many of you would be interested in the following article: >>> >>> Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise >>> >>> The iPhone 7 is very close >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/11/iphone-7-release-date-leak/> >>> and the all singing all dancing iOS 10 >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/06/14/apple-ios-10-vs-ios-9-whats-the-difference/> >>> will come with it. But right now most iPhone, iPad and iPod touch users >>> are on iOS 9.3.4 and Apple <http://www.forbes.com/companies/apple/> has >>> confirmed to me it contains a nasty surprise that, for millions, will never >>> be fixed… >>> >>> ‘Great Features’ and ‘Nasty Surprises’ are my regular columns investigating >>> operating system updates for the best features / biggest problems hidden >>> behind the headlines. >>> >>> The problem in iOS 9.3.4 is an incompatibility between VoiceOver and voice >>> dictation which is hitting disabled and, in particular, blind users hard. >>> In short: with VoiceOver >>> <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ios/voiceover/> enabled (it describes >>> everything on your screen with a triple press of the home button) voice >>> dictation is broken producing duplicate and often muddled words - notably >>> when quick replying to messages in the notification centre. >>> >>> iOS 9.3.4. Image credit: >>> Apple<https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/tNmb5HQQgmr30BX4YWLxQQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NDgwO3E9NzU7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http:/blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2016/08/Screenshot-2016-08-24-at-13.53.06-1200x391.png.cf.jpg> >>> iOS 9.3.4. Image credit: Apple >>> >>> Having been contacted by several blind users about this problem, they told >>> me the only workaround is to turn off VoiceOver, turn on dictation, speak, >>> turn off dictation then turn VoiceOver back on. This is about 10 steps and >>> unfortunately for the blind, turning off VoiceOver is a very risky move yet >>> voice dictation is essential. >>> >>> Perhaps the most interesting aspect to all of this, however, are claims >>> this feature has been broken since the original launch of iOS 9 in >>> September 2015 and Apple has not attempted to fixed it in any subsequent >>> upgrade. >>> >>> In response I contacted Apple and the company confirmed to me the fault >>> does exist in iOS 9.3.4, though it would not say if the bug could be traced >>> back further. Apple also had good and bad news for affected users. >>> >>> VoiceOver is iOS is crucial for disabled iPhone and iPad users, but it >>> breaks voice dictation - an equally important feature for them. Image >>> credit: >>> Apple<https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/Tu5mMjMZXtBODdvq_RO9Sw--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NDgwO3E9NzU7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http:/blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2016/08/Screenshot-2016-08-24-at-13.47.50-1200x656.png.cf.jpg> >>> VoiceOver is iOS is crucial for disabled iPhone and iPad users, but it >>> breaks voice dictation - an equally important feature for them. Image >>> credit: Apple >>> >>> The good news is the bug will be fixed in iOS 10 (and is already fixed in >>> the latest iOS 10 public beta). The bad news is there are no plans to fix >>> the bug in iOS 9 and with iPhone 4S, iPad Mini, iPad 3rd gen and iPod touch >>> 5th gen users not entitled to iOS 10 upgrades, users of those devices will >>> be left with the bug until they buy something new. >>> >>> Needless to say this won’t be a problem for many users who upgrade >>> regularly, but as one blind user told me: typically their need to have the >>> latest cutting edge products is greatly diminished. >>> >>> Consequently if Apple can fix the bug in iOS 10, I’d argue the company >>> should also fix it in iOS 9 before leaving a generation of devices and a >>> subset of users stranded. This would be a commendable way to sign off an >>> version of iOS well known for its high profile problems >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/20/apple-pulls-ios-9-3-2/> >>> , before the company moves on to its latest and greatest iPhone and iOS >>> plans... >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Follow Gordon on Twitter <https://twitter.com/GordonKelly> , Facebook >>> <https://www.facebook.com/GordonKelly> and Google+ >>> <https://plus.google.com/+GordonKelly> >>> >>> More On Forbes >>> >>> Apple Leak Reveals Massive iPhone 7 Cancellation >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/20/apple-iphone-7-pro-cancellation/> >>> >>> iPhone 7 Release Date Leaked By Bloomberg >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/11/iphone-7-release-date-leak/> >>> >>> Apple Leak Reveals ‘All Glass’ New iPhone >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/09/apple-iphone-all-glass/> >>> >>> Apple iOS 9.3.4: Should You Upgrade? >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/08/apple-ios-9-3-4-should-you-upgrade/> >>> >>> iPhone 7 Problems Suddenly Make Perfect Sense >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/07/25/iphone-7-problems-make-sense/> >>> >>> >>> https://www.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - 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