Interesting. I have used thread view for a long time, so I didn't realize that 
turning off wouldn't affect this particular bug.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, that second bug, it doesn't matter if you have thread view on or 
> not, voice over will still die after sending, regardless.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:42 pm
> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Kathy,
>> I certainly have said something about it, more than once, sigh. I have also 
>> reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or 
>> fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it 
>> applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. 
>> I have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including 
>> sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't 
>> have a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it 
>> on his devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails 
>> which are laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really 
>> tables, not in the sense that you need to know row and column for data 
>> presentation. It's all for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, 
>> frankly painful. I can only hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather 
>> than later, fix this. I hope it isn't like the thread send mail bug, where 
>> VoiceOver goes away and your remedy is to either wait it out, or turn it off 
>> and on when this happens. That was present through all of iOS 9 and still in 
>> iOS 10.. Of course, not everybody has that one either. Some of us are just 
>> lucky.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <katya20...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that 
>>> you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to 
>>> me. I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 
>>>> 9 and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download 
>>>> file than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone 
>>>> versions. One website where these are usually available is 
>>>> http://ipswdownloader.com/
>>>> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension 
>>>> from .zip to .ipsw
>>>> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your 
>>>> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with 
>>>> Shift+Enter.
>>>> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder 
>>>> where your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open".
>>>> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade".
>>>> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly 
>>>> short time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may 
>>>> still work middle or late next week, but nobody knows.
>>>> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone 
>>>> the inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few 
>>>> challenges which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when 
>>>> you may need a new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 
>>>> where things maybe even more different.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sieghard
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Terri Stimmel
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I 
>>>> had?
>>>> I didn't even know this was possible.
>>>> 
>>>> Is it difficult to do? Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> Terri
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
>>>> <viph...@googlegroups..com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>> 
>>>> I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer 
>>>> for me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, 
>>>> which I don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, 
>>>> which are used regularly.
>>>> I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my 
>>>> laptop, using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the 
>>>> message. However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If 
>>>> I write a message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my 
>>>> phone, it says though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit 
>>>> confused, because then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not.
>>>> 
>>>> Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my 
>>>> iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would 
>>>> that happen? Is there a way to fix that?
>>>> I don't want to lose any of the messages though.
>>>> 
>>>> Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think 
>>>> I like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it.
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> rTei
>>>> 
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>> I certainly have said something about it, more than once, sigh. I have also 
>> reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or 
>> fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it 
>> applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. 
>> I have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including 
>> sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't 
>> have a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it 
>> on his devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails 
>> which are laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really 
>> tables, not in the sense that you need to know row and column for data 
>> presentation. It's all for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, 
>> frankly painful. I can only hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather 
>> than later, fix this. I hope it isn't like the thread send mail bug, where 
>> VoiceOver goes away and your remedy is to either wait it out, or turn it off 
>> and on when this happens. That was present through all of iOS 9 and still in 
>> iOS 10. Of course, not everybody has that one either. Some of us are just 
>> lucky.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <katya20...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that 
>> you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to me. 
>> I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 9 
>> and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download file 
>> than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone 
>> versions. One website where these are usually available is 
>> http://ipswdownloader.com/
>> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension from 
>> .zip to .ipsw
>> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your 
>> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with 
>> Shift+Enter.
>> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder 
>> where your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open".
>> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade".
>> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly short 
>> time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may still work 
>> middle or late next week, but nobody knows.
>> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone the 
>> inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few 
>> challenges which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when 
>> you may need a new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 
>> where things maybe even more different.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Terri Stimmel
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM
>> To: viph...@googlegroups..com
>> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version?
>> 
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I had?
>> I didn't even know this was possible.
>> 
>> Is it difficult to do? Thank you,
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much..
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer 
>> for me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, 
>> which I don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, 
>> which are used regularly.
>> I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my 
>> laptop, using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the 
>> message. However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If I 
>> write a message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my 
>> phone, it says though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit 
>> confused, because then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not.
>> 
>> Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my 
>> iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would 
>> that happen? Is there a way to fix that?
>> I don't want to lose any of the messages though.
>> 
>> Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think I 
>> like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it.
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> rTei
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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