Interesting. I have used thread view for a long time, so I didn't realize that turning off wouldn't affect this particular bug. Mary
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Rajmund <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mary, that second bug, it doesn't matter if you have thread view on or > not, voice over will still die after sending, regardless. > > > > Sent from a Braille Sense > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Otten <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version? > >> >> >> Hi Kathy, >> I certainly have said something about it, more than once, sigh. I have also >> reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or >> fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it >> applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. >> I have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including >> sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't >> have a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it >> on his devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails >> which are laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really >> tables, not in the sense that you need to know row and column for data >> presentation. It's all for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, >> frankly painful. I can only hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather >> than later, fix this. I hope it isn't like the thread send mail bug, where >> VoiceOver goes away and your remedy is to either wait it out, or turn it off >> and on when this happens. That was present through all of iOS 9 and still in >> iOS 10.. Of course, not everybody has that one either. Some of us are just >> lucky. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that >>> you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to >>> me. I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS >>>> 9 and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download >>>> file than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone >>>> versions. One website where these are usually available is >>>> http://ipswdownloader.com/ >>>> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension >>>> from .zip to .ipsw >>>> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your >>>> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with >>>> Shift+Enter. >>>> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder >>>> where your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open". >>>> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade". >>>> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly >>>> short time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may >>>> still work middle or late next week, but nobody knows. >>>> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone >>>> the inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few >>>> challenges which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when >>>> you may need a new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 >>>> where things maybe even more different. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>> Of Terri Stimmel >>>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version? >>>> >>>> Hello everybody, >>>> >>>> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I >>>> had? >>>> I didn't even know this was possible. >>>> >>>> Is it difficult to do? Thank you, >>>> >>>> Terri >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello everybody, >>>> >>>> I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer >>>> for me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, >>>> which I don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, >>>> which are used regularly. >>>> I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my >>>> laptop, using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the >>>> message. However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If >>>> I write a message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my >>>> phone, it says though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit >>>> confused, because then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not. >>>> >>>> Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my >>>> iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would >>>> that happen? Is there a way to fix that? >>>> I don't want to lose any of the messages though. >>>> >>>> Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think >>>> I like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it. >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> rTei >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>>> you can reach Cara at [email protected] >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - 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>> you can reach Cara at [email protected] >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> Hi Kathy, >> I certainly have said something about it, more than once, sigh. I have also >> reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or >> fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it >> applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. >> I have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including >> sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't >> have a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it >> on his devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails >> which are laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really >> tables, not in the sense that you need to know row and column for data >> presentation. It's all for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, >> frankly painful. I can only hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather >> than later, fix this. I hope it isn't like the thread send mail bug, where >> VoiceOver goes away and your remedy is to either wait it out, or turn it off >> and on when this happens. That was present through all of iOS 9 and still in >> iOS 10. Of course, not everybody has that one either. Some of us are just >> lucky. >> Mary >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that >> you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to me. >> I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here. >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 9 >> and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download file >> than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone >> versions. One website where these are usually available is >> http://ipswdownloader.com/ >> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension from >> .zip to .ipsw >> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your >> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with >> Shift+Enter. >> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder >> where your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open". >> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade". >> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly short >> time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may still work >> middle or late next week, but nobody knows. >> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone the >> inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few >> challenges which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when >> you may need a new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 >> where things maybe even more different. >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Terri Stimmel >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version? >> >> Hello everybody, >> >> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I had? >> I didn't even know this was possible. >> >> Is it difficult to do? Thank you, >> >> Terri >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much.. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hello everybody, >> >> I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer >> for me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, >> which I don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, >> which are used regularly. >> I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my >> laptop, using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the >> message. However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If I >> write a message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my >> phone, it says though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit >> confused, because then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not. >> >> Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my >> iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would >> that happen? Is there a way to fix that? >> I don't want to lose any of the messages though. >> >> Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think I >> like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it. >> Thank you, >> >> rTei >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at [email protected] >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - 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