Don’t worry about never hearing back from them, the main thing is for everyone who can duplicate this bug to send in a report.
Thanks for doing that. Richard From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 I sent Apple a bug report on this topic last week, but never heard back from Apple. Donna Please, everyone duplicating these issues, write to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> They need to hear from everyone. Richard From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 8:59 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 I’ve had similar experiences when trying to correct a search term I typed when in the App Store. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 Having just read through all the messages in this thread, I went to AppleVis and performed the exact same steps as Richard, and holy crap! That's absolutely awful! I think the accessibility people were trying to be helpful, but this is really not helpful. Once I understood the differences between how Windows and Mac/iOS handled cursor movement, I was set. I don't need to know where the cursor is--not through VO explisitly telling me in the manner it is in iOS 10, anyway. What I need VO to tell me is the letter just moved passed, like it always has done before this update. Weanks, Ari On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Exactly what happens when I try it. I’d really like to be in the same room as that Apple Accessibility clown who says he can’t reproduce it. Maybe he forgot to turn on Voiceover! Regards, Sieghard From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:14 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Apple <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 Trying to move by character from the start is even worse. It does the same overly verbose "character mode insertion point between h and a in second position attachment." Then, it just bongs. It won't move after that. Richard “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others." - Satsuki Shibuya (Sent from my iPod 6) On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Richard, Exactly my experience as far as the "attachment" is concerned. Have you tried it going forward from the beginning, i.e. when you are in the edit field double tap to move the insertion point to the beginning and then swipe down to go forward. I also remember that in some emails (haven't noticed it lately) Voiceover would sometimes read a character about 4 or 5 spaces in from the beginning of the line as "attachment". Like I said, I noticed that during the original iOS 10 beta cycle, have to test it again now to see if it's still there. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 2:10 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 Greetings, I am copying Apple Accessibility and the VIPhone list on this reply. Following the steps described in the response below from Apple Accessibility: 1. I went to applevis.com<http://applevis.com> and double tapped in the search this site field. 2. I entered Ham Radio 3. I put focus outside of the edit field so the on screen keyboard went away. 4. I double tapped on the edit field again, which brought back the onscreen keyboard and VoiceOver said "incertion point at end.". 5. I turned the rotor to character and flicked up and heard "ham radio, character mode, incertion point between I and o in the 9th position, attachment." Before iOS 10, I would simply hear the characters as I flicked. This is completely too verbose for words. Yes, I did eventually hear the characters, but not the way any sane person would want to hear them. And, why on Earth is it saying "attachment?" Richard -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 1:53 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 Well here is one thing I don't understand. Why would you exit out of the on-screen keyboard if you wanted to go back and review what you typed in the search field and possibly make a correction? What's that about? Maybe this person doesn't understand why we would actually use this feature? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi again List, Here is the reply I received regarding the issue that seems to exist with reviewing text entered into search fields on the web. Once again the person who apparently dealt with my message said he or she is unable to reproduce the problem. I did not yet try this on the Applevis website, but maybe others can reply back to them as well giving examples from websites where they have encountered this. Here is the reply: -----Original Message----- From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:09 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 Hello, Thank you for your email. So far I am unable to reproduce this. I went to Applevis.com<http://Applevis.com> and select the search field there. I then typed in a search term. I then exited out of the on screen keyboard and double tapped so I was in the search field. I then used the rotor to select characters and flicked up and down. VO called out the characters going forwards and backwards. Can you provide the exact steps you are using to cause this issue? Apple Accessibility For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ https://support.apple.com/accessibility On October 26, 2016 at 18:12:52 PM GMT, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I have an iPhone 6S Plus and recently updated to iOS 10.1. I wanted to make you aware of a bug which prevents me from fully navigating/reviewing text I type into a search field on any website in Safari. If I type in a search term and double tap in the search field to move the insertion point to the beginning and then try to move character by character to review what I typed Voiceover repeats the entire search term and then tells me the insertion point is between the first and second position and I am not able to move it from there. If I double tap again the insertion point moves to the end and I can flick backwards to what I typed, but Voiceover does not read each letter as it should, it tells me insertion point between, for example, 10th and 11th position between "l" and "l". This example of course assumes I typed something which has "ll" in 10th and 11th position. This bug is rather annoying and I have heard reports from other Voiceover users that they have encountered the same problem in other apps and other search fields. Regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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