Yes, that’s my point though: if you don’t make use of the Iphone label, then you cannot use Imessage or Facetime to contact them, so the label is important (that’s my only point, it has a meaning and use different from the “mobile” label).
My understanding of Imessage is that if you used it to send a text message, and it did not know for sure the receiver was an Iphone, then it would only send a standard SMS message (no audio attachments, etc.); that’s what I meant about it’s advanced features; again, the Iphone label is important (I did once accidently label someone as Iphone when they were not, and when I sent them an Imessage I got some sort of error message when it tried to deliver it and they were not an Iphone). Chip From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices Hi Chip, As far as I can see there is no such thing as “advanced” iMessage or Facetime features. iMessage and Facetime either work or they don’t, if you have an iPhone and the other person has an iPhone or iOS device with iMessage and Facetime enabled then both features work and can be used with all their functionality. It makes no difference if the number is labelled iPhone or not. After all, you may know if your family members or friends have iPhones, but you don’t know this necessarily of business contacts and so on and I don’t even have the iPhone label, but I can still use all aspects of iMessage and Facetime if I am contacting somebody who has an iPhone. Often I add somebody to my contacts (I never ask if they have an iPhone or not) and when I send a text message it tells me that it is an iMessage and then of course I have access to all the new effects and so on and I know that most likely I can also call this person with Facetime. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices I believe there is a legit reason for having both the Iphone and mobile labels: this controls access to Iphone specific functionality such as advanced Imessage features, and FaceTime (which cannot be done with a non-Iphone). Chip From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices Hi Richard and Terri, I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on Outlook.com and the same goes for the "Custom" option. Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone". One thing I don't get is the following example: Assumptions: You have a contact called "Allison" You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as "Home" and "Mobile" for Allison. You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight". Here now the issue: I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?" SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on "Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers. It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but it doesn't always seem to be like that any more. I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been around for 5 years. I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of a business in the "Company Name" field and then ask SIRI to call that business. SIRI will apparently not at all search/look in the company name field and instead it will try to look up the business online. If I put the business name also in the last name field all is well, but it's absolutely retarded. Also, if I ask SIRI to look for something, for example, a restaurant, and SIRI then starts listing options, when it comes to one I want and I say "Yes" when it asks if I want that one, I usually get "I can call this location or give you directions, which do you want". If you say "Directions" all is well, but if you say "Call" SIRI goes into retard mode and asks "Whom should I call for you". It is absolutely infuriating. Lastly, I recently often have to turn SIRI off and back on because it can't make phone calls to certain contacts, sometimes even those I have in my Favourites list. Right now, for example, if I ask SIRI to "Call my Mom" it asks me which phone number for Margrit Weitzel I want to use. This means aparently SIRI knows that my Mom is Margrit Weitzel and if I ask SIRI to "Show me my Mom's home number" it will do so happily. However, after it asks me which number to use and I say "Home" or "Mobile" I get "Sorry, I can't find Margrit Weitzel in your contacts". This borders on the unacceptable and I wish Apple would get their act together and fix SIRI so it's a bit more useful, flexible and consistent. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices Well, asking why won't get you very far since there is no answer to "why" that can be trusted unless it comes from Apple. Also, to me, those labels are some irrational hold over from a time long, long ago. I've seen the iPhone option at times, but at other times it isn't there. Sometimes the default is Home Fax, which I agree is silly; then other times the default is home. Then again, sometimes there is a custom option where you can write your own label. Personally, I think some Apple engineers are just too lazy to fix the labels from whatever ancient template they are using. I hope to be a part of a conversation with a senior Apple engineer in a couple of weeks. I'll see if I can get an answer from him. Just be assured that you are not the only one scratching their head over these strange labels in contacts. Later, Richard “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others." - Satsuki Shibuya (Sent from my iPod 6) On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> wrote: Hello everybody, I have a question regarding when adding contacts, and using a label for that contact. Such as, mobile. I don't understand why some of these options are in here has choices. I know maybe it's not really a big deal. But is something that bothers me. Wire for instants do we have a choice of radio? I have course can understand choices like home, and mobile. But I don't really get home fax as an option, because it's not as though you can send a fax from your phone. Or maybe you can now days, and I just don't know that. I also don't get the car option, because nobody I know has had a car phone for years! There might be some other options that are puzzling to me. 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