Tom,

This is all pretty good advice, but here are a few things nobody mentioned:

1. What are you currently paying and who is your carrier?
2. If you were to upgrade as others pointed out, going from a 7 to an 8 is a 
waste of money especially since I assume there would be some sort of cost 
involved. If there is absolutely no cost, e.g. you can give your iPhone 7 back 
and get an 8 then I would do it, I mean, why not, you get a new phone with 1 
year of warranty and unless you bought Apple Care Plus your iPhone 7 warranty 
is now done.
3. If there is a cost involved and the iPhone 7 is now yours and off contract, 
why not ask your carrier to unlock it and try to find a plan that is cheaper 
either from T-Mobil or with one of the other MVNO's like Straight Talk, 
Consumer Cellular etc. yu guys in the States have dozens of choices and you 
might find a plan which suits you for $30 which I assume is a lot less than 
what you pay now, but again, it all depends on what you pay now. But consider 
this: if you pay $70 now and you can save $40 by going to an MVNO then you save 
$480 in one year, keep your iPhone 7 for another year until the fall of 2020 
and you save $9960 which would mean if you put that money into a savings 
account in two years you would have enough to buy whatever brandnew and most 
likely high-end phone is being offered outright and you could simply continue 
to use it on your inexpensive plan. Us that phone for 4 years and you save 
another bundle. I used to upgrade every two years as well and I upgraded my 
first iPhone, the 4, after only 1 year to the 4S because it had SIRI and I 
really wanted SIRI at the time. However, nowadays these devices are mature, new 
features often are not these incredible advancements and of course they can't 
be. Every so often something revolutionary comes along and for a few years it 
may continue to change at a fast pace, but eventually it has to slow down. 
Almost every year you read articles about how Apple has lost its way and its 
edge because they released another line-up of phones which are just relatively 
minor upgrades from last year's model and it's all just "evolutionary" and not 
"revolutionary" to use the jargon that is being used. I mean da, what do people 
expect? It's not like new Samsung or Google phones knock your socks off these 
days, eoither, that is just how it is with technology. I think many consumers 
are starting to realize that there is no real benefit in upgrading their $1,000 
or more phone every year or two, here in Canada given our exchange rate the 
iPhone XS Max with 512Gb of storage costs $1,999.99. Really, 2000 bucks for a 
phone (that does not include the 12% taxes we have here in British Columbia, 
only 5% in Alberta, but in some provinces it's even more than 12%), so if I 
bought a new XS Max with 512Gb it would cost me $2,240 and if I wanted Apple 
Care Plus I think that's another $200 so I'd pay almost $2,500 for that phone 
unless of course I go on a 2-year contract but even then this top of the line 
phone with Apple Care Plus would cost probably almost $1,000 canadian. I'm 
sorry, but no thanks.
My advice is that if an upgrade to an iPhone 8 costs you even $50 more than 
what you currently pay then don't do it, go and find an inexpensive planand 
save some money for a year or two, then upgrade. I have a 6S Plus, I had Apple 
put a new battery in for $35 a few months ago and now with iOS 12 the phone 
probably works just as good or better as it did when I first bought it 3 years 
ago with iOS 9 preinstalled.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Advice for the experts

Hi Tom,

This is all very good advice. I also advise my clients similarly. Unless the 
new models have something that you absolutely must have, I would stick with 
your iPhone 7 and wait till next year to see what Apple offers up. I am 
currently using an iPhone 7 running the iOS 12 beta and it’s working just fine.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Correction, I obviously meant the iPhone 8 has the A11 chip, not I11.  I 
> thought I'd point that out before someone else does.
> Richard
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:46 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Advice for the experts
> 
> In my opinion, no one on Earth knows if a particular model will be continued 
> to be built, other than maybe Apple Executives.
>    
> If you are eligible for an upgrade now, I suspect you will be eligible next 
> year as well if you wait, right?
> 
> I believe the iPhone 7 has the A10 chip, the 8 has the I11 chip and the newer 
> phones announced this week have the A12 chip.
> Each new chip generation is a bit faster than the previous one, also often 
> has more RAM in those phones, etc.
> The 8 plus is going to have a noticeable increase in battery life and 
> probably speed in downloading larger files.
> If you are happy with the 7, and it is giving you good battery life, there is 
> no real need to change.
> 
> I am probably in the minority, but I would use the phone until you find it is 
> not performing well enough for your needs.
> You noticed that the iPhone X lasted exactly 1 year and now has been 
> replaced.  So, if it were me, I'd wait and see what happens.
> 
> "Definition of an expert: an ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
> pressure." -- Bruce U. Utah Phillips
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
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> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom 
> Cramer
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:10 AM
> To: viphone <[email protected]>
> Subject: Advice for the experts
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I've been reading about the new phones coming out and would like to ask 
> something from the experts on the list who have good and necessary knowledge.
> I've had an iPhone 7 for a couple of years and I got notified that I'm 
> eligible to upgrade.
> First, what's going to happen with the iPhone 7?  Is it still a good phone 
> and will Apple continue to make it?
> Second, should I upgrade from a 7 to an 8?  I know the xr is also the least 
> expensive phone, but I know it won't have the touch ID or home buttons any 
> more.
> Also, how much faster or better is the 8 from the 7?  I'd like to know the 
> differences so that I know whether it's worth it to upgrade or stay with the 
> 7.
> Any thoughts?
> Tom
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