Oh boy, what will they come up with next. I had never yet heard about these full body vibration gadgets, sounds like something you hear on an infomercial in the middle of the night. Wasn't there at one point something similar, some sort of belt you put around your waist and then it vibrated and it was supposed to tone up your stomach muscles, get rid of stomach fat and all that.
When I just Googled "full body vibration platforms" my first thought was how can something like that possible have any benefit with respect to cardio-vascular fitness. Here is an article from the Mayo Clinic's website, the link si first and I did put the text below as well. This would confirm what my common sense tells me and while the doctor who wrote the article says it can have some benefits, it still sounds like a gadget to me, something which promises more than it delivers, something where there just is no actual proof and something which is meant to make you feel good about working out when really you are not doing much. One of the key conclusions from the article is this sentence: if you want to lose weight and improve fitness, enjoy a healthy diet and include physical activity in your daily routine. It seems the entire industry which is built around healthy eating and fitness which is worth billions in the US alone is all focused on one thing: you need to buy all this weird food stuff, supplements and what not and you need to buy expensive fitness machines and if you do that you get slim and fit without doing much. What they don't say is that you can be healthy and fit by simply eating a healthy, balanced diet of quality food and by getting your butt off the couch and outside. Keep in mind that I am generalizing a bit here, I am fully aware that what I say applies to people who are in a position to do this. If somebody is unable to do this because maybe they are not healthy enough then sometimes things like a treadmill or exercise bike is a great way to get at least some exercise, but there is little excuse for not buying healthy fresh food and turning them into meals which are good for you, of course if you still eat three times the amount you should eat then even the healthiest meal is bad for you and the same applies if you constantly stuff yourself with chips, cookies, chocolate and other junk. Is it easy to go out for a brisk walk when it's pouring rain or when it's 30 below with the wind blowing? No, of course not and there is nothing wrong with shifting to more indoor exercises, but I find it much more satisfying to go to my local pool and since most pools also have fitness rooms I can combine a good workout with a half hour swim then if I had a treadmill at home where I can do one thing only. Let's face it, most of us don't have the money for a gym which includes the variety of workout machines that you find in a gym which has $20,000 or $30,000 worth of equipment from weights and strength training machines to treadmills, bikes, rowing machines, stair climbers and so on OK, here now that article" Is whole-body vibration a good way to lose weight and improve fitness?<https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/fitness/expert-answers/whole-body-vibration/faq-20057958> Is whole-body vibration a good way to lose weight and improve fitness? Answer From Edward R. Laskowski, M.D. Whole-body vibration can offer some fitness and health benefits, but it's not clear if it's as good for you as regular exercise. With whole-body vibration, you stand, sit or lie on a machine with a vibrating platform. As the machine vibrates, it transmits energy to your body, forcing your muscles to contract and relax dozens of times each second. The activity may cause you to feel as if you're exerting yourself. You may find a whole-body vibration machine at a local gym, or you can buy one for home use. Advocates say that as little as 15 minutes a day of whole-body vibration three times a week may aid weight loss, burn fat, improve flexibility, enhance blood flow, reduce muscle soreness after exercise, build strength and decrease the stress hormone cortisol. But comprehensive research about whole-body vibration is lacking. It's not yet clear if whole-body vibration provides the same range of health benefits as exercise you actively engage in, such as walking, biking or swimming. Some research does show that whole-body vibration may help improve muscle strength and that it may help with weight loss when you also cut back on calories. Whole-body vibration may also have a role beyond sports and fitness. Some research shows that whole-body vibration, when performed correctly and under medical supervision when needed, can: • Reduce back pain • Improve strength and balance in older adults • Reduce bone loss Still, if you want to lose weight and improve fitness, enjoy a healthy diet and include physical activity in your daily routine. If you choose whole-body vibration, remember to do aerobic and strength training activities as well. And because whole-body vibration can be harmful in some situations, check with your doctor before using it, especially if you're pregnant or have any health problems. sort of -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Yohandy Rodriguez Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Treadmill with Bluetooth connectivity and accessible app Hey guys, Since we're on the topic of treadmills, has anyone checked out full body vibration platforms? they are said to be better and more effective than treadmills, but I don't know much about them unfortunately. I have been researching the topic and was planning on getting one, sounds like a really nice peace of equipment to have, but I'd like to get feedback from those on here that have tried it. are they actually effective at increasing muscle strength and bone density and whatnot, and do you feel like you got a decent workout after vibrating on one of these for a while? How durable are these machines, and which would you recommend? thanks for your help! On 11/10/2018 7:22 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > I did go and check out the sole F63 treadmill today. And, assuming that the > measurements work out OK, we are getting one. The rails on the side are > probably somewhat shorter than some might like. But for me, as a walker, they > are fine. There are easily detectable large buttons on the top of both the > right and the left rail. These buttons are for controlling to speed for the > ones on the right, in the incline for the ones on the left. In addition, it > does have the safety feature where you put this square metal thing into an > easily detectable place on the consul, and then you attach the other and do > your clothing. To the right and left of where the safety clip goes, there are > two very large tactile buttons. One is for starred in the other is for Scott. > You don’t have to bend down or lean forward or anything to CDs. At least I > didn’t. I can’t comment on the Bluetooth, since it was a in-store model. I’m > not really holding out too much hope for that, given the really bad reviews > for the app. The machine it’s self seems pretty quiet. I could certainly here > my feet on the treadmill as I walked. > And when my cited husband tried it, and had the speed turned up higher than I > did, I could actually hear the motor. But it certainly didn’t seem all that > loud. I’m sure if you could watch TV or read a book or whatever with no > problem. The treadmill seems smooth, and it reacts well to pressing of the > buttons for the speed and incline. For $900, which was the sale price, I > think it’s a good deal. > Mary > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 9, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz <cristobalm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Now you made me check. Looks like they've got it at $1300 with a $75 coupon >> and I think free assembly. >> I know when I grabbed it, I got it at a good deal. I did see it go lower >> than $900 once, but I missed out on that time and didn't feel like waiting >> any longer for an extra few more bucks off. >> Another thing I should mention, if you get this or any other machine via >> Amazon and opt for the assembly, make sure to check who Amazon assigns to >> your order. These people like a lot of other folks are contractors. Not >> Amazon employees. You can check their ratings and review their previous >> work. The first guy Amazon assigned to my treadmill assembly had "ok" >> ratings with a couple of bad reviews, but we did notice that he didn't >> really have much if any experience putting together workout equipment or >> treadmills. Mainly shelves, ceiling fans and other stuff like that. >> Since it was a significant purchase and my big heavy butt was planning on >> using it for years to come, I called Amazon and requested they send me >> someone who had experience with slapping together treadmills instead. >> The free assembly was a nice perk, but I still tipped him 30 bucks. It took >> him over an hour to get everything up and running. Cardboard for days. >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary >> Otten >> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 1:36 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Treadmill with Bluetooth connectivity and accessible app >> >> Well, this treadmill is definitely still available. In fact, when I went >> back to Amazon again a couple of days after making that original post, the >> treadmill was there. It had been said to be unavailable. So I have no idea >> what’s going on. But as of last night, it was available on Amazon. Of >> course, I have no idea how much shipping costs or how you get it put >> together. But that would be true for any treadmill that you got shipped to >> you as opposed to having it delivered and set up by a local store. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 9, 2018, at 1:07 PM, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone >>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ah that's a shame as it sounded the absolute perfect treadmill. >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:00 AM >>> Subject: Re: Treadmill with Bluetooth connectivity and accessible app >>> >>> >>> Very nice review indeed. Apparently that model isn’t made now. They had a >>> link on the review page for the site that has the best price according to >>> them, which turns out to be Amazon. But then amazon said that item is no >>> longer available but there was a newer model. I think that Cristobal is >>> right that seeing it before you buy it is really important. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 7, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Cristobal Muñoz <cristobalm...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have the Nautilus T618: https://www.treadmillreviews.net/nautilus-t618/ >>>> I'm 6-2 FT tall. So for me, the longer and wider belt for me was a >>>> necessity. It has a capacity of up to 350 LBS. I fluctuate between 212 and >>>> 230 LBS throughout the year depending on the season (holiday eating here >>>> we come baby) and usually throw on a 30/40 LBS backpack and hiking boots >>>> for the extra calorie burn and resistance. So having an all around >>>> sturdier machine was also something I was looking for when I was deciding >>>> on what to get. >>>> There are a bunch of machines with similar specs, but what sold me on this >>>> was the fact that yes, while there is an LCD display and it is menu driven >>>> like with lots of machines isn't ideal if you're blind, the speed and >>>> elevation controls are distinguishable tactile buttons instead of a touch >>>> screen. Honestly, I just speed up and slow down, increase and decrease the >>>> elevation manually and don’t' bother with the programs. The other huge >>>> plus is that the safety rails are longer than your average treadmill and >>>> there are speed/elevation controls built into them so you don't have to >>>> hassle with fiddling feeling around on the front consul and can keep your >>>> hands on/around the rails for safety. You can set up to four profiles so >>>> that it can remember your weight/height or whatever. My sighted wife just >>>> knows to put it back to mine whenever she's done using it. >>>> As I mentioned, I mainly use the manual function and haven't really played >>>> with Run Social or those types of apps, but The associated Nautilus app is >>>> completely VoiceOver accessible. After my hike/walk, I can synchronize the >>>> workout and review my stats. Duration, speed, heart rate, calories burned. >>>> My Fitness Pal which it can also pare to is accessible. None of these apps >>>> that I know of will actually allow you the ability to control the machine. >>>> I'm not aware of any treadmill that does this. At least not in the way we >>>> would want it. I guess there's the line of Peloton treadmills that are >>>> Internet connected, but it's probably not what you're looking for. That >>>> and then you're talking around $4000. I don't know what your budget is. >>>> https://www.treadmillreviews.net/peloton-tread/ >>>> For me, this works more than fine with the easy to access controls. I just >>>> throw on my Aftershokz Trekz Air headphones and blast them timing myself >>>> by song. Jog for two, walk for five, full on run for three, etc. Being >>>> able to slow down or speed up via the rails is a major plus and >>>> convenience. >>>> The T618 is the top model of the Nautilus line with two cheaper options >>>> that bump you down on motor power in case you or no one in your family is >>>> on the bigger side and don't need/want the higher weight capacity. I >>>> waited for it to go on sale and scored a deal via Amazon for $975 with >>>> free assembly. You really don’t' want to try putting this thing together. >>>> It's a beast. The description talks about foldable for storage, but yeah, >>>> once it's put together, it's not going anywhere. It weighs something like >>>> 280 LBS. My treadmill is in my garage and will stay there until I move or >>>> die. >>>> Whatever you choose, try if you can to get a feel for them at any local >>>> retailer that has some models. I was fortunate that I was able to get a >>>> feel for this one and some others. It felt over all more solid and there >>>> were other things like the way the belt was in relation to the consul. The >>>> rail controls are what really sold me on it too. There was a proform I was >>>> interested in until I tried it and found that I kept on kicking the motor >>>> housing in the front due to the layout. Another I had to lean forward or >>>> down to reach the buttons. Others had weird feeling controls that would be >>>> hard to distinguish if you're at a jogging/running pace or a straight up >>>> touch screen. This sort of stuff is probably more important than app >>>> accessibility. >>>> >>>> Cristóbal >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>>> Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 12:51 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Treadmill with Bluetooth connectivity and accessible app >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I am strongly considering the purchase of a treadmill, and I would like to >>>> get one that has accessibility for controlling the machine via the iPhone. >>>> Sole treadmills right now having a great sale. And they have an app. But >>>> it gets universally awful reviews in the App Store. 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