Voiceover doesn't report any sort of special character with WhatsApp either, but if I copy WhatsApp to the clipboard with a 3-finger quadruple tap and then check it on the computer with Jaws whatever comes before the "W" in WhatsApp is not spoken at all, Jaws is just silent on it. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case as well with 7 Little Words. At least iTunes Store is consistent since it's out of order both for you and me. Also interesting is that you have My Noise and I have my Sun Life, for me my Sun Life is written as 3 words and it seems like My Noise is two words so I wonder if Voiceover treats apps where the name is made up of multiple words with a space differently and also whether upper or lower case makes a difference since "iTunes Store" starts with a lower case "i" then it goes to an upper case "S" and maybe with eBay that is the same.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lisa Belville Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 4:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Trouble Renaming Voice Dream Scanner Sieghard, Well, isn't this some interesting VO and handwriting weirdness? <grin> I don't have Whatsapp, but I can reproduce your issue with an app starting with a number. And, I also have the situation of apps appearing out of order when the master list of apps is brought up using handwriting. I've got 121 apps, so I start swiping up with two fingers. The first App starting with the letter A is the ACB Link app. Then swiping up with two fingers I have 7 little Words and 50 Radio, which is how it should be.. The weirdness starts once I move past those two apps, this is while doing a two finger swipe up. I have My Noise, EBay, iTunes Store, iMove, And Boop, then YouTube. Ironically, those apps are listed alphabetically between YouTube and the 50 Radio app, so I am not sure what's causing it. I can, however write an I, E, or a letter M and bring up the respective apps. However 7 Little words is never listed unless I'm looking at the master apps list. I'm fairly proficient with using handwriting, but the app never is listed when using numbers. I did verify that the app is written with a Number 7 and that I was writing a number 7 just to be sure and no luck. Voice Over doesn't report any special characters before the number 7 in the app name, either. I think this is another instance of Voice Over not reporting what's going on behind the scenes. It's not a huge glitche, but it makes me wonder what else I'm missing. Lisa Lisa Belville [email protected] On 3/31/2019 4:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > Read my message about WhatsApp which I just sent. It does not show up under > "W" either if you use handwriting. > Maybe try what I explained, write an "A" to bring up all your apps starting > with A, then swipe left with 2 fingers to delete the letter, this will then > bring up an alphabetical list of all apps on your phone. You can swipe > through this list by swiping down with 2 fingers or you can swipe up with 2 > fingers and if you are on the first app starting with an A you go to the last > app alphabetically, if you have YouTube installed it should be YouTube. But > as I explained, in my case I have WhatsApp as the very last app, then 3 more > apps which for whatever reason are not where they should be alphabetically. > > -----Original Message----- > From:[email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lisa > Belville > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 2:15 PM > To:[email protected] > Subject: Re: Trouble Renaming Voice Dream Scanner > > Hi, Sieghard. > > > Thank you for such a detailed explanation. The fact that VO was reading the > new name in the app switcher was what threw me off at first. > > > Now I'm still wondering how to open the Voice Dream Scanner App because > using handwriting and writing the letter S only brings up one instance > of Scanner and it is for the Scanner Radio app. I don't recall whether > or not this was the case before I renamed it. > > > It's not that big of a deal because I know where the app is, but I use > handwriting to open apps quite a bit and since Scanner seems to be a > popular name it might throw others off as well. > > > Lisa > > > > Lisa Belville > > [email protected] > > On 3/31/2019 3:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Hi Lisa, >> >> As Anna said, renaming an app with a 2-finger double tap and hold will >> change the name so Voiceover reads it as whatever you call it, but it only >> renames it for Voiceover purposes, the underlying name is still whatever the >> developer called it. >> I just tested this with an app called "Meteo" which is the official weather >> app from Environment Canada. >> I renamed it to "Canadian Weather". Now when I swipe to it or touch it on >> the home screen Voiceover says "Canadian Weather" and not "Meteo". >> However, if I open the app and then pull up the app switcher, Voiceover >> calls it "Canadian Weather" in the app switcher as it should, but if I swipe >> up or down with one finger to change the rotor to close it from the app >> switcher, Voiceover says "Close Meteo" not "Close Canadian Weather". >> Similarly, if I use handwriting to find it I have to type "M" and it shows >> in the list of apps starting with M as Meteo. >> The same applies to Voice Dream Scanner. If you rename it from Scanner to >> Voice Dream Scanner Voiceover will say that except if you want to find it >> with handwriting you have to write "S" and if you have another app called >> Scanner they will both show up, also if you open it and then close it from >> the app switcher Voiceover would say "Voice Dream Scanner" when it reads it >> in the list of open apps, but as soon as you swipe up or down it will say >> "Close Scanner" not "Close Voice Dream Scanner". >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From:[email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lisa >> Belville >> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:26 PM >> To:[email protected] >> Subject: Re: Trouble Renaming Voice Dream Scanner >> >> Hi, Anna. >> >> >> Yes, this is the method I used. >> >> >> Hmm, so iOS doesn't recognize the name change even though the app called >> Voice Dream Scanner has been moved to my OCR folder using regular VO edit >> functions. To clarify, I've found the app with the new title using VO and >> activated it and closed it with no issues. >> >> >> I'm assuming there's something under the hood that the average VO user >> cannot change which will change what VO really sees when you have focus on >> an app. >> >> >> If not than I'm totally confused. Not your fault, it's mostly my default >> setting. <grin> >> >> >> Lisa >> >> . >> >> Lisa Belville >> [email protected] >> >> On 3/31/2019 1:45 PM, Anna Dresner wrote: >>> Hi Lisa, >>> >>> I assume that when you say you changed the name of the app, you did the >>> two-finger double-tap and hold gesture and typed in a name. Is that right? >>> If so, that changes the label VoiceOver reads, but I don't think it changes >>> the name of the app as far as iOS is concerned. I don't think there's a way >>> to actually rename an app. >>> >>> Best, >>> Anna >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Lisa Belville<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, all. >>>> >>>> >>>> I just downloaded the Voice Dream Scanner app and so far I really like it. >>>> I only tried scanning mail free hand, but I'm guessing it will rival >>>> Seeing AI when I use my Stand Scan to do a better job stabilizing the >>>> phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> My issue is that when the app installed the default name was Scanner. I >>>> have another app called Scanner that is an Emergency/Police frequency >>>> scanning app. I renamed the Voice Dream app to Voice Dream Scanner and >>>> then moved the newly named app to my OCR folder on the home screen. >>>> >>>> >>>> Now when I use handwriting to bring up apps starting with the letter V I >>>> get Voice Dream, which is the Voice Dream Reader, and the Voice memos app >>>> that comes pre-installed on the phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> The letter S brings up several apps starting with S including Scanner, but >>>> this is the original Scanner radio app. >>>> >>>> >>>> I tried using handwriting and tested with a lower case and then an upper >>>> case V and got the same results. >>>> >>>> >>>> I double-checked that the Voice Dream Scanner app was successfully >>>> renamed, and that there were no other punctuation or special characters. I >>>> verified that it did start with the letter V as in Victor and not B as in >>>> Bravo. >>>> >>>> >>>> Still no Joy. >>>> >>>> >>>> Any thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> Lisa >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lisa Belville >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached >>>> at:[email protected]. 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