Obviously there are some sighted people who know all about accessibility
and some sighted people who don't know anything about it at all. I'd be
surprised if a sighted person was using voiceOver though, since it
changes the gesture set. A sighted person who isn't running VoiceOver
can just touch an object on the screen, if they're running voiceOver
they have to touch the object on the screen and then double tap the
screen. I find it hard to believe a lot of sighted people would put up
with this just to use the screen curtain. Furthermore, I think most
sighted people would want to see the screen while they're using it, and
if they're not going to use it, then the screen is going to just lock
anyway, so I'm not sure why a sighted person would even bother with the
screen curtain.
My wife is sighted, so she knows something about accessibility and
VoiceOver, but she doesn't use screen curtain, and every time I hand her
my phone I have to talk her through disabling the screen curtain and how
she has to touch something and then double tap the screen. Obviously,
I'll turn off VoiceOver before I hand her my phone, if I can.
On 6/19/19 11:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply
stating our experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are
when it comes to using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.
I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover
and you can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since
that is a feature which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn
on screen curtain as a stand-alone accessibility feature.
*From:*[email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf
Of *janet gross
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how
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Sieghard and all,
Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more
time. I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as
my friends using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my
Niece’s school teacher using it. please don’t ask me why, but the
fact remains, I see this quite often. I’ve even been on a public bus,
and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason I know this is because
they either tell me they like this screen curtain if they know me, or
I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off. Maybe some sighted
people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the
screen curtain feature. Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a
sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature. Although, I
have noticed most of them who use the screen curtain, is when either
they turn their phone off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri
to set the timer, and she turns on the screen curtain, maybe she
doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen. They might not even
realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want to,
so be it!
So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about
it. We all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.
Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.
Janet
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how
do I unsub from this list)
I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some
sighted people know about the screen curtain?
I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a
small town where the only other few visually impaired or blind people
are some elderly folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively
with sighted people and that includes going to buying shows where I
often pass my phone to a sales rep to show him a picture or ask
him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my employees. I
rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double
tap a button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture
button a few times until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often
turn on the screen curtain, but when I do and forget I usually get the
comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or “your screen doesn’t work”.
I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500
sighted people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the
screen curtain on and asked them the simple question whether they can
tell you the time which is displayed on the phone that none of them
could. You might of course get lucky and somebody may have a blind
friend or family member who may have told them about the screen
curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is
completely a foreign concept for them.
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> *On
Behalf Of *janet gross
*Sent:* Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how
do I unsub from this list)
Hi Marcio,
How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I
think you and others are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people
don’t know anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!
LOL!
Janet
*From:*'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I
unsub from this list)
Carolyn,
How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is
nothing to see.
Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use
the screen to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do
it without anything to see?
Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA /Starboy/
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