Funny, I finally got pissed off and shut down my computer while eating dinner.  
When I turned it back on, everything worked well so far.  

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Munoz
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: apple keynote

So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab into 
the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program. Anyone 
else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and delete the 
thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
> 
> 
>    i completely agree.
>    
>    
>    Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>        On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>        
>        
> 
>         The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>        
>        
>        Joney
>        [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>        "If God can bring you to it, 
>        He will lead you through it."  
> 
>        On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>        
>        
> 
>            If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>            
>            -----Original Message-----
>            From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
>            Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>            To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>            Subject: Re: apple keynote
>            
>            im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 
> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 
>            
>            Sent from my iPhone
>            
>            
> 
>                On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>                
> 
>                
>                
> 
>                I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
> the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>                
> 
>                
>                
> 
>                want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
> privately and I will happily add you.
>                
> 
>                [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>                
> 
>                
>                
> 
>                    On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel 
> one vibration, then slide back down.
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    How do you perform the reachability gesture without a home 
> button?
>                    
> 
>                    Thanks,
>                    
> 
>                    Matthew
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    On 9/11/19, Robin <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>                    
> 
>                    YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little
>                    
> 
>                    SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the SameSize 
> as the 
>                    
> 
>                    UpComin iPhone11
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She
>                    
> 
>                    desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as 
> Her iPhone6S
>                    
> 
>                    At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>                    
> 
>                    One thing to remember too is that iPhones have that 
> reachability 
>                    
> 
>                    gesture as well as the ability to shift the keyboard to a 
>                    
> 
>                    left-handed or right-handed configuration. I find myself 
> using 
>                    
> 
>                    these more than I thought I would at first.
>                    
> 
>                    I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my size, but 
> still, 
>                    
> 
>                    I too don't particularly care for the larger size phones, 
> but 
>                    
> 
>                    these workarounds Apple's built into the phones do help a 
> little. 
>                    
> 
>                    Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
>                    
> 
>                    I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a 6S or SE, 
> but that 
>                    
> 
>                    ship has sailed and there's no reason opining on what 
> clearly 
>                    
> 
>                    isn't going to happen or waiting around for the same.
>                    
> 
>                    Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the 
> features 
>                    
> 
>                    mentioned above.
>                    
> 
>                    My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to upgrade her 
> to the 
>                    
> 
>                    11 this year. She's sighted and wants the larger screen 
> size. Big 
>                    
> 
>                    sucker phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    -----Original Message-----
>                    
> 
>                    From: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>  <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > On 
>                    
> 
>                    Behalf Of Marie
>                    
> 
>                    Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
>                    
> 
>                    To: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>                    
> 
>                    Subject: Re: apple keynote
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    I also have small hands but changing from the eight to the 
> X, 
>                    
> 
>                    there was barely any noticeable difference. I have no 
> problem with 
>                    
> 
>                    the size.
>                    
> 
>                    Marie
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    -----Original Message-----
>                    
> 
>                    From: lenron brown
>                    
> 
>                    Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>                    
> 
>                    To: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>                    
> 
>                    Subject: Re: apple keynote
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My 
> hands are 
>                    
> 
>                    not huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    On 9/11/19, Marie <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>                    
> 
>                    Richard,
>                    
> 
>                    I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple 
> site. 
>                    
> 
>                    Are you saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the 
> case 
>                    
> 
>                    because it is what I am used to and I am planning on 
> trading the 
>                    
> 
>                    X in on a new 11 Pro.
>                    
> 
>                    Marie
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    From: Davy Cuppens
>                    
> 
>                    Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
>                    
> 
>                    To: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>                    
> 
>                    Subject: Re: apple keynote
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>                    
> 
>                    Davy
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    From: Richard Turner
>                    
> 
>                    Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>                    
> 
>                    To: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>                    
> 
>                    Subject: Re: apple keynote
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>                    
> 
>                    iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>                    
> 
>                    the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
>                    
> 
>                    The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5 It has been 
>                    
> 
>                    rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized 
> phone; 
>                    
> 
>                    but nothing official from Apple.
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    Richard
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, 
> and 
>                    
> 
>                    would like to stay with that form factor.
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    Andy
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> >
>                    
> 
>                    To: <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> >
>                    
> 
>                    Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>                    
> 
>                    Subject: RE: apple keynote
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple 
> SE?
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    -----Original Message-----
>                    
> 
>                    From: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>  [mailto:[email protected]] 
>                    
> 
>                    On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>                    
> 
>                    Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>                    
> 
>                    To: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> 
>                    
> 
>                    Subject: Re: apple keynote
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
> 
>                    this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  
> the big 
>                    
> 
>                    change in the phones themselves was in the camera and an 
> enhanced 
>                    
> 
>                    Face ID.
>                    
> 
>                    
>                    
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>                      Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 
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> 
>                      unvailings?  There’s been no chatter about it.
>                    
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