Indeed. Apple often touts accessibility as a priority which I’m not even disputing, but this is one of those things that highlights the fact that there are priorities and then there are priorities…
> On Oct 12, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark, please forgive my language, but what you said about Apple not being > able to anticipate this issue is nonsense because it's been going on > throughout the beta cycle and was reported by many beta testers. > I'm happy you don't have this issue, but I think you are in the minority here. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question > > Hello Carolyn, et al: > > You know, I've been puzzling over this ever since I updated my 8 Plus to the > latest version of iOS and purchasing an iPhone 11; both having never lost > VoiceOver as the result of any activity. With the rare exception of some > VoiceOver display bleed-through errors, described in previous posts, I never > use any of my Apple devices without VoiceOver and yet, try as I may, I cannot > reproduce the loss-of-VoiceOver glitch with or without earphones, of any > type, attached. > > Did you know that not all iPhones are created equal? There are several > different models referred to by the same device name. Also, in the United > States at least, the type of carrier used can, in fact, have an impact on > device performance. For example, several years ago there was a VoiceOver > display driver bug that only affected certain iPhones sold by certain > manufacturers. Moreover, if memory serves, iPhones older than the 7 series > would have 1 of 2 different modems installed, based on certain factors. My > point, regardless of the name used, not all iPhones are identical, in terms > of hardware. > > Again, at present, this is just a guess as Apple never admits to hardly > anything until it has been resolved but I suspect that those having this > problem, or the reverse, those like me, who are not having this problem, can > attribute it to the device type that is being used. > > For example, and again, this is just a guess so don't take issue, I make it a > practice to pay full price for SIM-free models of any Apple device, only. > The SIM-free model is one that is generally sold outside of the US but can, > upon request, be purchased inside the US, as well. > > I was told, by an Apple employee, that all iPhone 11 series phones are now > SIM-free unless the purchaser elects not to pay full price for the phone, up > front. I do not know how true this is as I am certain that when one > purchases a device directly from a carrier, the device is most certainly not > SIM-free. > > While I am certain that Apple will resolve this loss-of-VoiceOver issue, the > fact that it even exists suggests to me that they did not or could not > anticipate this problem on their in-house models, said models most likely > being the purist of the pure where software and hardware installs are > concerned. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Carolyn Arnold > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question > > Yesterday, I lost speech, even Bluetooth did not get it for me - phone would > not ring, only vibrate. We did reboot, turned off then back on. Finally, I > called Apple Accessibility. We worked and worked again, finally turned off, > back on, got it. She asked if she could screen share, did, checked About for > my model information, said she would submit my second complaint with regard > to VoiceOver. I told her I was out of the house, had the problem for hours, > couldn't even get Siri. I wish I knew a work around, just to keep it from > happening again. > > I do like Call Silencer, but would give it up to stabilize VoiceOver. > > Best regards, > > Carolyn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > dani pagador > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question > > For as much as I complained about VO dropping out after phone/FaceTime calls, > I'm really glad I did the upgrade to the IOS13. I got a call that went to > voicemail this morning that was a SSA scam that said my number would be > suspended due to fraudulent activity, that I would be arrested, and to kindly > press 1 (I'm not kidding) for more information. I was able to use the > voicemail recording and the info VO provided to give an accurate account of > the call to the FTC when I filed my complaint with them after the call came > in. > > Yay, Apple. > > Do the upgrade. Just have a pair of wired earbuds handy to get VO back if it > kicks out after a call. I hung up just a few minutes ago from a call (without > being plugged in), and lost speech but still had sound--I could hear the > clicks as I swiped right and left. I grabbed my wired earbuds, plugged in, > and VO was back. > > HTH, > Dani > > > > > >> On 10/10/19, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello Angie and Everyone, >> >> You know, I must say that while I was planning on waiting for a later >> version of iOS 13.x to be released, before updating my 8 Plus, I am >> definitely glad that I went ahead and took the proverbial plunge. >> This is to say that I have gained much more than I lost. >> >> Now keep in mind that I have yet to experience any loss of VoiceOver >> under any circumstances. Also, while I do read some email messages >> via iPhone, I read most of my emails on either my Windows PC or my Mac >> so cannot speak to any problems with the native iOS Mail app. >> >> I absolutely love the new system-wide hap tic VoiceOver feedback >> feature. I think the latest versions of Maps is incredible, >> especially the new E.T.A feature. However, what I like most about iOS >> 13.x and by the same token, iPad OS 13 is the fact that now, as it was >> many, many moons ago, all of my ripped DVD videos play perfectly on >> all of my Apple devices. This was certainly not the case in iOS 12 >> and earlier. I am glad that Apple relinquished its death grip on the >> types of videos it would and would not allow to be played on Apple >> devices, in the hope of getting customers to purchase / rent videos from the >> iTunes Store. >> >> Oh, one more thing, while I am a heavy user of Braille using the >> original Focus 40 Blue, as yet, I have not attempted to read any >> lengthy pieces on my Braille display so cannot speak to any issues regarding >> Braille displays. >> >> I can tell you, however, that while I adore the new dark mode on my >> iPad Pro, I have elected not to engage this new feature on my 8 Plus. Why? >> Well, the display seems to be too dark for my taste on the smaller >> display and I find it easier to toggle Invert Display on and off, as >> needed with the Home button. >> >> On the iPhone 11, however, given that there is no longer a Home >> button, I do engage Dark mode, using the side button to Toggle >> VoiceOver on and off, as needed. As yet, I have not experienced a >> loss of VoiceOver before, during, or after calls, of any kind. >> >> I am of the opinion that iOS 12 with Watch OS 5 work much better, >> together, than iOS 13 with Watch OS 6, especially where Bluetooth >> audio switching is concerned; at least, this has been my experience so far. >> >> Still, all of my "must-have" apps work as expected and I have yet to >> encounter any show-stoppers in iOS 13.x, so far. >> >> So, if you have not yet updated to iOS 13.x yet, wait a little longer >> before doing so but if you're ready to jump in and begin sending >> Apple, along with third-party developers, bug reports as you encounter >> them, go ahead and make the leap as we can use all of the proverbial >> voices we can get in order to get the attention of all of the >> developers to resolve various iOS 13.x issues. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Angie Nutt >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:36 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question >> >> The only thing stopping me from upgrading is the losing sound when >> ending a call thing; would hate that to happen when out alone. >> Otherwise I’m looking forward to getting my hands on iOS 13 >> >> All the best >> Angie >> >> >>> On 9 Oct 2019, at 18:58, Louise Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi I also am waiting to update. Yes there are ones of you who are >>> doing it and sharing the bugs with Apple and I thank you for that. I >>> just not a person who wants any problems only a few years in and just >>> want tech to work all the time. Louise and princess Kiara >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:00 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: To Upgrade or not to Upgrade, that is the Question >>> >>> My Iphone 8 is running 12.41 and I'm not upgrading until some of >>> these major bugs are getting fixed. I only had one reminder about >>> the update yesterday. I also found remind me later and just for >>> referrence, don't enter in your passcode if you're prompted for it. >>> My iPhone 8 is working just fine, and I see no need to update at this >>> time. I'm so glad I got on this list so I can be warned about things >>> like major bugs and so on. Granted, I don't really use my phone to >>> check email, but I really don't like the thought of voiceover >>> shutting down after a phone call. Until that is fixed for sure, I'm >>> not upgrading. I'd recommend not to update just yet. A lot of my >>> friends are also waiting to update as well. >>> >>>> On 10/9/19, Susie Stageberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Good morning all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My iPhone 7S came up and offered me the upgrade last night. I tapped >>>> on "later" and then "disagree", I hopes this would make it leave me >>>> alone for a while. From reading all the posts on this list (and >>>> elsewhere) about people having a hard time with this upgrade, it >>>> occurred to me that it might be a good idea to hold off until they >>>> get some of this stuff fixed. I am running along very nicely with >>>> 12.2 and I'm one of those who does not need the latest and greatest >>>> just because it's the latest and greatest. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is this an ostrich move? Am I deluded in thinking that by delaying I >>>> will get a better product when I do upgrade? And how long do I play >>>> the ostrich? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Susie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor >>>> Roosevelt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>> iPhone list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >>>> list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>> [email protected]. 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