Please let's move on. Question asked and answered. Dave apologized and the questioner had a sincere need to know. Let's cut both some slack and move forward. I have a question I am sincerely asking about also. Thanks.
Reggie Alvarado > On Dec 2, 2019, at 7:55 AM, Maria Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t think google groups is inaccessible. Just google guide dog email lists, and they will come up. anyway i don’t think that’s the point. Dave did apologise and he stated that he thought it was spam. Besides the amazon comment was meant to be a joke. Isn’t calling someone a jerk rude too? Let’s not keep a 2 line comment that’s been apologised for going and turn it in to a huge deal. Dave has been on this list for years and given lots of good advice. Maria > On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:33 pm, goshawk on horseback > <[email protected]> wrote: > > seconded. there isn't exactly a good directory of such lists, and certainly > both yahoogroups and google groups have become so much less accessible for > screenreader users lately, that one may not be able to search for > lists/groups anymore. > > Simon > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] ; 'Janet Bell' >> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 12:03 PM >> Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >> >> Hey Dave, >> Don’t be a jerk and defend your rudeness. She does not know where to find >> those or if they even exist. Cut them some slack. >> Best, >> Terri >> >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 5:00 AM >> To: [email protected]; Janet Bell <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >> >> There is always lists, that specifically, deal with Guide Dog issues. Which >> would be a lot more appropriate, than an iPhone list. >> >> Dave. >> >> >> From: Christopher Chaltain >> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 11:47 AM >> To: [email protected] ; Janet Bell >> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >> >> I see the name of the list at the bottom of every message, and it's also >> obviously in the email address of the posts to and from this list. The >> original poster also apologized for an off topic post to an iPhone list, >> which you'll see in the thread below. This doesn't make it right to make off >> topic posts, but it also doesn't mean it needs to be pointed out. IMHO, let >> the moderator deal with off topic posts. >> >> On 12/2/19 4:59 AM, Janet Bell wrote: >>> yes it was because for once the sender’s email didn’t say which list but >>> just another question what has getting a guide dog got to do with an iPhone >>> list? >>> >>> From: Christopher Chaltain >>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:48 AM >>> To: [email protected] ; Janet Bell >>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >>> >>> Assuming your question is sincere, this is the ViPhone mailing list. >>> >>> On 12/2/19 4:41 AM, Janet Bell wrote: >>>> can someone please remind me of the name of this list as I seem to have >>>> forgotten it. >>>> >>>> From: Avnish Chopra >>>> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 4:35 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >>>> >>>>  >>>>  >>>>  >>>> To all the kind and wonderful ladies and gentlemen who helped answer my >>>> question – Thank you very much! Really appreciate your help and >>>> understanding. >>>> To the others who thought it was a joke or made fun of my question, I wish >>>> they would read the rules of this group which I quote below: >>>> “ If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if >>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>>>> or >>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.” >>>> But then, perhaps this set of individuals revels in rebellion! Best of >>>> luck to them! >>>> Best wishes & many blessings! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 01-Dec-2019, at 11:29 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz >>>>> mailto:[email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> Got my dog from Leader Dogs in 95 as well. At the time, I was living in >>>> Mexico. They were I think at the time one of if not the only guide dog >>>> school that accepted international students. >>>> >>>> Cristóbal >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] On Behalf >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:41 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >>>> >>>> Dave, that Amazon comment was very ignorant and entirely inappropriate. >>>> Kiruna is from India and you may want to remember that not everybody knows >>>> about everything. >>>> I am in Canada and I get lots of people who ask me where I got my guide >>>> dog from, how much they are and if I have to pay for them. >>>> And just in case this is something you didn't know, India is part of the >>>> Commonwealth just as Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Nigeria and other >>>> countries are so maybe it would be possible for somebody from a >>>> Commonwealth country where there is no guide dog school to apply to a >>>> guide dog school in another Commonwealth country and be accepted to get a >>>> dog. I am not saying this is so, but it is certainly possible. >>>> I am in Canada yet I can apply at any US guide dog school to get a dog if >>>> I so choose even though we have several guide dog schools in Canada. My >>>> first dog was from Leader Dogs for the Blind in Rochester, Michigan and >>>> among the I think 24 people who were there in my group to get dogs 4 came >>>> from Spain on some arrangement the Spanish government or maybe it was some >>>> sort of Spanish not for profit group had with Leader Dogs. >>>> >>>> Since nobody explained to Kiruna what the usual process is to get a guide >>>> dog, I will do so in general terms. >>>> You apply to a guide dog school, if it is the first time you get a dog >>>> from them they typically would visit you where you live, they would want >>>> to see your home and where you work (if you work) and they would also want >>>> to see you walk around with a cane or your previous guide dog if you >>>> currently have one to assess your mobility skills and so on. >>>> If they accept you, they will at some point let you know when you can get >>>> a dog, some schools have fairly long waiting lists. Once you get the date >>>> you have to go to the school for typically a 3-week training course where >>>> you get to know your dog and your dog gets to know you. Walking with a >>>> guide dog requires training just as walking with a cane does and if you >>>> have never had a dog you have to of course learn how to care for the dog, >>>> this includes grooming, feeding and picking up the dog poop in a little >>>> plastic bag; I know, sounds shitty, but I shit you not. >>>> After your course you get to take your dog home, some schools may also >>>> send a guide dog trainer home with you to do some more training in your >>>> own environment or some schools may ask you to come for a shorter course >>>> at the school and then you do more one-on-one training in your own >>>> city/town. In rare cases a trainer may even come to you and do the entire >>>> training with you in your city/town, but I think most schools would need a >>>> good reason to do this. >>>> Most schools also like to follow up with you on an annual bases and they >>>> may send a trainer to do a walk with you and evaluate how things are going. >>>> Keep in mind that when you get a dog that dog is not yours. I assume all >>>> schools are the same in this respect, but should you not care for the dog >>>> properly they do have the right to take it away from you and I have heard >>>> of a few cases where this was done. >>>> As for the cost to train a dog, including breeding programs, puppy >>>> raising, training and after-care it is I believe around $30,000 or $35,000 >>>> US so actually buying a guide dog is not something most people could >>>> afford if the schools weren't not for profit organizations who are >>>> financed from donations, fund raising events, money bequeathed to them and >>>> so on. I believe in England the government is involved as well and in >>>> Germany the health insurance pays for guide dogs as well as for things >>>> like dog food, vet costs etc. >>>> >>>> Lastly, remember the country where you live. How accepted are dogs there? >>>> I haven't been to India with or without a dog, but I did once take my >>>> guide dog to the Philippines where my wife is from. This was actually my >>>> first trip there in 2009 and when we first met in person. I got all the >>>> paperwork done and I wish I had not taken him. The first week was OK, we >>>> stayed on a small island where we had rented a house together with another >>>> friend of mine from Germany who is also married to a Filipina. The second >>>> week when I was back in the Manila area I could not take my dog anywhere, >>>> not even into a Mcdonald's. We did have a hotel which allowed pets for a >>>> fee and while a guide dog here is not considered a pet and has rights, >>>> these do not apply in other countries. We usually only went out for an >>>> hour or two at a time because I could not bring him anywhere, I couldn't >>>> go into a mall with him (all malls in the Philippines have armed security >>>> guards at all entrances), I could not take him into any restaurants and so >>>> on and it was even a fight to find a taxi who would take him and me back >>>> to the airport when it was time to go home. On my way home I flew via >>>> Seoul, South Korea and I had a full 24 hour layover there. I arrived at 7 >>>> PM and my flight back to Vancouver was not until 7 PM the next day. I >>>> though I'd just go and get a hotel for the day, but no such luck. I had >>>> the help of a friendly person at the airport and we called probably 10 >>>> hotels and none of them would accept me with my guide dog. I ended up >>>> sleeping on a bench at the airport that night, I had asked one of the >>>> airline employees to show me around a bit to where the washrooms were and >>>> where I could take Mulligan outside and I can tell you it was a long 24 >>>> hours. I believe in a country like India you may find pretty good >>>> resistance towards a dog in certain areas or because of certain religious >>>> beliefs. I don't want to generalize, but here in Canada more often than >>>> not when I do have problems with my dog being accepted somewhere it is in >>>> a place wit staff from India or another middle Eastern country and often >>>> by people who follow Islam because in their faith a dog is considered to >>>> be an unclean animals which should not be touched. But, as I said, I am >>>> not wanting to single out anybody here, I have also twice had issues in a >>>> place which was owned by a German like myself and I certainly know >>>> Caucasian Canadians who really dislike dogs, but at least here we have >>>> laws which clearly state that I can take my dog anywhere whether it's a >>>> super market, a 5-Star restaurant or a hotel, on the bus, train or in the >>>> airplane. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] On Behalf >>>> Of Dave >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:05 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >>>> >>>> If you don't reside in the UK. Then you won't qualify, to receive a guide >>>> dog. >>>> >>>> You could try amazon. They may have some left over from black friday, lol. >>>> >>>> Dave. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:42 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >>>> >>>> Hello Karuna, >>>> You cannot just buy a guide dog to take home. In fact, you cannot just buy >>>> a guide dog period. I am going to guess that you are from India. You >>>> should try applying to one of the guide dog training schools in the UK >>>> and/or Australia. I have know idea if you would qualify for any of those >>>> schools though. >>>> Best, >>>> Terri Hedgpeth >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] On Behalf >>>> Of karuna Chopra >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 2:27 PM >>>> To: ViPhone mailto:[email protected] >>>> Subject: Guide dog in United States-help me Please 🙏 >>>> >>>> Sincere apologies, this mail is off-topic and not related to the iPhone. >>>> I am visiting the United States next week, I want to take back with me a >>>> trained guide dog for helping me move around. can anyone please suggest >>>> where I could buy one? Your help in this Will be greatly appreciateWill be >>>> greatly appreciated. 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