Richard,
Yes, I'm one of those who gets by with FlickType and the on screen keyboard with my iPhone. If I have to input anything where this approach is too tedious, I'll be using my computer and its full-sized keyboard and using an app such as KeyWi to transfer the computer input to an app where necessary. My brain is too porous to retain any new hotkeys on a Bluetooth keyboard needed to equate with their gesture equivalents. Alan Lemly From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case I can see if someone uses FlickType really well, they could type almost as fast as with a Bluetooth keyboard, but typing on the onscreen keyboard normally will never be as effective as typing on a physical keyboard. And, depending on dictation is not worth it in my mind as there are too many errors to then have to fix. And, if writing longer documents in Notes, or Voice Dream Writer, Pages, whatever app one uses, the physical keyboard is much easier and I think more effective. Editing with a physical keyboard is also much easier. Those are my reasons for having one. One size does not fit all however, I know lots of people who get by to their own satisfaction without a Bluetooth keyboard. Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 10:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case Hi Jewel, If you wished to type an email on to your phone but didn’t want to use the phones keyboard. A Bluetooth keyboard allows you to type as you would on a laptop or desktop computer on to your phones screen / app. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Saturday, 16 May 2020 2:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case Question from a dummy who, without any effort whatsoever, can outdo all other dummies! When would one find a bluetooth keyboard to be of use? Jewel From: deidre muccio <mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 11:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case yes, the 380 is 11 inches long, many the keys are around, but when I read closer to the size of a netbook I thought no way. Too cramped. No space between the keys, if that be if the guys description was accurate. Anyway I'll see how this new 480 is and I can always order a 380 if I think it's overkill for my purposes. Or order the 380 and see which I prefer.All the other specs on these all the other specs on these keyboards are excellent. So that's a definite plus. Free returns… thanks all. deidre Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2020, at 11:06 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote: The typing keys on the K-380 are round and just a pinch smaller than a dime. They’re actually the same size as the keys on my Das keyboard, except of course that those keys are square. The surrounding keys on the K-380 are rectangular. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case For comparison’s sake, the K480 keys are about a half an inch across and front to back. The keys on my USB keyboard for my computer are about a half inch wide and maybe ¾ of an inch front to back. Any idea on the size of the K380 keys? Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case It depends on what you’re looking for in a keyboard. The K-380 is nice to type on. The keys are large enough. It doesn’t have a numeric keypad. There isn’t a lot of space between the main keyboard and some of the surrounding keys, like the function keys, but the arrow keys are nicely distinguished. It is compact though. It won’t fit in a pocket or fold, but it is solid. If you’re looking for something nice to type on that’s still portable and will pair with three devices then the K-380 is a great choice. If you’re looking for a desktop keyboard though, with a lot of space for the surrounding keys and a numeric keypad then the K-380 isn’t the keyboard for you. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of deidre muccio Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case whew! I just read some reviews on the 380 and yes the keyboards small and cramped like a netbook.All the other specs were spectacular though. No lag all those kinds all the other specs were spectacular though. No lag all those kinds of things. So that's definitely out. That's not gonna work for a heavy Typer like me. it is time I learn to use Voice Dream Writer as well right? Get rid of the PC. That's after I learn the commands for the keyboard, or at least where the shortcut keys are or however it works.So I guess it's time to place that order for that 480! then I'll be curious if not using dictation and overriding the router manually stops all the irregularity in being able to edit go back or forward those sorts of things when in a message or anything I happen to be typing and editing Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote: You said you did not want one with small keys. This one works great, and while technically you could pair it with a computer, I would never recommend it. The K380 does not have the slot for holding iPads, iPhones, or Android devices. I just do not know if the keys are standard size. I cannot recommend any others as this is the only one that I have used that isn't stupidly small. I'm sure others could chime in here with more recommendations. Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e6e79b0eddf44106e9208d7f95aeb34%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637252041191859557&sdata=5uaj3oSkFPAwIUTtO%2B0zRhIo1iTdfGRG77bxwKBDJk4%3D&reserved=0> On May 14, 2020, at 8:37 AM, deidre muccio <deidreandlou...@gmail.com> wrote: I just read the description for this keyboard you recommend. It sure sounds fancy, and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. Might be a lot more than I really require or need. For instance I don't need something to hold my iPhone while I look at it. And that appears to be part of the frame a or design of this keyboard. So if for instance it says it can work with windows does that mean it simply operates as like a wireless keyboard to activate anything on my computer which is in a different corner of the room altogether? Is there anything else you can recommend that might have a simpler design and work the same way? a stripped-down version? I have a wireless keyboard for my PC but as you see, When it comes to the use of my new phone with the updated iOS, I've been struggling with dictation and voiceover when writing and editing in mail Gmail in particular and in other apps which I'm not happy about. I never had these problems with earlier versions of iOS and earlier models of phones. as you point out however, 13 has other features to offer which will serve persons who need them. 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