Although I agree that it's important for blind people to participate in the betas and provide feedback, I also agree with Wayne that you have to keep in mind that these are betas, so it may not be appropriate for every blind person to be running a beta on their only device.
-- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf > Of Daniel MacDonald > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:02 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14 > > hello Wane, > > to each their own. I myself have one iOS device that can run iOS 14. > I understand your apprehention about joining the beta program, but why don't > you use iTunes on your computer? an update could go wrong sometime when > Apple relises them! > Daniel > > > On 9/24/20, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've thought of joining the beta program, but don't want to compromise > > my primary device. I don't have a separate device to test on. Plus, I > > don't use iTunes on my computer so can't restore anything if something > > goes wrong. Hats off to the beta testers though for the hard work you > > put in and the bugs you report. No one can get it all, but great work > > on what is reported. > > > > Wayne > > > > On 9/23/20, Daniel MacDonald <daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> hello, > >> > >> I was a public beta tester before iOS 14 was publicly released to > >> the masses. I have ran into a few of these, and I will report them > >> post haist once my iPhoner is sent back to me. in the mean time, I > >> urge all experiencing bugs to report them to accessibil...@apple.com, > >> and then join the Apple beta software program. being a member of this > >> program puts you in direct contact with Apple's Engenneering team. > >> they do not email you, but have the best chance of the bugs getting > >> fixt I was speaking to apple accessibility phone tech support, and > >> they informed me that currently about five percent of VoiceOver users > >> are beta testers. I urge all to join this program and only then, with > >> multiple users reporting the same bugs, will are voices be herd. time > >> and time again, I see on AppleVis and on several email lists, people > >> complaining about the bug they experience and doing nothing. the only > >> to rectify all of these complaints, is for everybody to join the > >> apple beta software program and report what bugs they find , > >> reporting these affore menchined bugs to Apple is invabuable. . happy > >> beta testing everybody, Daniel Angus MacDonald > >> > >> > >> On 9/23/20, James Lockwood <lockwoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> good afternoon. This is a long message but I urge you to read it all > >>> if you use voiceover. I have attempted to make a comprehensive list > >>> of all the errors I have noticed that far. Please comment and let me > >>> know if you can repeat any or all of these errors and if so, which > >>> ones. Also let me know > >>> how to contact Apple voiceover support to report these problems. I am > >>> having several problems with voiceover and iOS 14. I have tried to > >>> make a comprehensive list because these problems just started today > >>> or yesterday. > >>> I > >>> bought my iPhone 11 promax on September 8. I updated four or five > >>> days ago whenever the update was available. For some reason either I > >>> didn’t notice, or the problems were not occurring for the first few > >>> days. Can anyone else reproduce any or all of these issues? > >>> > >>> Reaching down to the right corner to hit the dictate button > >>> sometimes just holding my finger on the screen makes the iPhone > >>> click endlessly as if I am scrolling through thousands of pages This > >>> endless clicking when you hold your finger down on the screen also > >>> occurs randomly and other apps when you simply put a finger on the > >>> screen and don’t move it. It sounds like you’re moving it as fast as > >>> humanly possible clicking thousands of times but going nowhere > >>> > >>> > >>> The other day My iPhone completely became unresponsive in part. I > >>> could flip back-and-forth open up folders but could not open any > >>> app. double clicking did nothing. Siri would not do anything. > >>> Asking her to do anything at all resulted in her stating the > >>> obvious, there’s a problem. Holding down the power button and volume > >>> did not bring up slide slide to shut down I had to do a hard reset. > >>> For iPhones that do not have a home button, the way you do this is > >>> quickly pressing volume up, volume down, then holding the side power > >>> button until your phone shows the Apple logo > >>> > >>> Opening up the mail app focus get stuck on the search box in the > >>> search button continuously flicking right does not change the focus > >>> to the list of folders or list of male messages. The same thing > >>> happens when opening up the message application. Focus get stuck on > >>> the search box. The only way to get out of this is to tap somewhere > >>> else on the screen there by manually changing the focus to the list > >>> of text messages or list of emails or whatever > >>> > >>> Opening up settings accessibility voiceover audio and haptics none > >>> of the customizations for different functions, that is determining > >>> for each type of activity whether you want vibrate and or sound to > >>> occur, none of those customizations have any effect. Sound and > >>> vibrations are always played > >>> > >>> Occasionally when I go to the app switcher, the app switcher opens > >>> but the phone continues to read the home screen as if the app > >>> switcher never came up > >>> > >>> > >>> when the focus is on the enter button on the keyboard it used to be > >>> that flicking right once took you to the dictate button. Now, it > >>> sometimes clicks twice as if it is skipping and does not always read > >>> the full word, dictate. > >>> It interrupts itself like it struggling > >>> > >>> If you try to merge a call to do a three-way conversation, hitting > >>> add call takes you to the contact list so you can decide who else to > >>> add to the conversation. However voiceover jumps around like a jack > >>> rabbit and will not get off the first name in the alphabetical list > >>> of whatever group you were looking at. No matter where are you > >>> touching the screen it’s stuttering and only reads a portion of the > >>> first persons alphabetical name > >>> > >>> > >>> When reading the content of a widget displayed on the home screen, > >>> flicking upp down does not always bring up the options of next > >>> widget previous widget or edit like it supposed to. > >>> > >>> I was just about ready to send this email, put my finger on the send > >>> button flipped right in order to read the address carbon copy box in > >>> subject box, and instead voiceover took me to the keyboard options > >>> for attach pictures etc. I just tried it again and the air did not > >>> occur. It’s very hit and miss on that one. > >>> > >>> The problem mentioned above with the dictate button has already been > >>> explained. But I just remembered that because of this error, I > >>> deleted my emoji keyboard. Before the error was occurring but > >>> instead of stuttering over the word dictate, it would say :-) :-) > >>> :-) even though I was on the > >>> letter keyboard so to be clear, I would have my finger on the enter > >>> key, > >>> decide I wanted to dictate some text, flipp to The right, and > >>> instead of the word dictate, it would say :-) :-) : > >>> > >>> Those are what I have noticed so far. There are likely more such as > >>> focus not being able to be switched off of the search box in the > >>> settings app and less you manually do it by putting your finger > >>> somewhere else on the screen. > >>> It seems the more I use the phone the more errors occur. Maybe I > >>> just didn’t notice these errors for the first few days because I > >>> was just blown away by the uniqueness of the iOS and fancy new > >>> phone, I upgraded from a iPhone 6s so it was a big difference, but I > >>> don’t think so. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The following information is important for all members of the V > >>> iPhone list. > >>> > >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the > >>> list itself. > >>> > >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > >>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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