Simon, Richard is correct, I have a Logitech K780 which is a Windows keyboard but automatically detects which OS is used and adjusts accordingly. If I switch it to my iPhone and start keyboard help, pressing the Alt key announces Command and pressing the Windows key announces Option.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Understanding VO Commands on a QWERTY Richard, I’m sitting here writing on a mac book air running windows 10 Remember that on the mac keyboard The layout from left to right on the bottom row, Fn, ctrl,alt (option), command (windows), If this was a windows keyboard then you could have only 3 keys on the bottom row, That would be CTRL, widnows key, alt, Some windows machines have 4 keys and can be either, Ctrl, fn, windows, alt, Or fn, ctrl windows, alt. What I’d suggest you do on your Logitech keyboard is to put it / the device in to keyboard help mode and then press the keys to know which one is which, hth From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, 14 May 2021 11:35 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Understanding VO Commands on a QWERTY Well, this is me writing on the Logitech K860 Ergonomic keyboard which is designed first for Windows I believe. So, for me, using this on my iPhone, Windows key equals options. Alt key equals command. I demonstrated that to myself by using the next or prior word command which is options plus left or right arrow when quickNav is off. Writing this email, If I press Windows Key plus left or right arrow I move by word. If I press alt plus left or right arrow, nothing happens. So I guess it is really important to know if they are using a Apple keyboard with Windows, or a Windows keyboard with an Apple device. It is lovely how confusing this can be. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> On May 13, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Richard, Not right sorry, Ctrol as you say is ctrl, Alt is option Windows is command, Function is function, That's why when using a mac keyboard for windows you use command for windows And option for alt, Vise versa on a windows keyboard type. You had it pretty right just inverted. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, 14 May 2021 8:52 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Understanding VO Commands on a QWERTY Sure. Control key is always Control whether on Windows, Mac, or iOS. I always thought Alt was Options, but it is probably Command, and Windows equals Options. So, windows+control+spacebar would be the VO command for double tap. Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf9524d27ee23432421db08d916659070%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637565447730376418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=39NCkHZA70mMm%2FULeT0dHU5bGX2SsedZjwWEtrB8Jxg%3D&reserved=0 -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joe Orozco Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 12:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Understanding VO Commands on a QWERTY Hi, can someone please take me back to fundamentals and help me understand what makes up a VO command on a QWERTY keyboard? I recently tested a Mantis Q40 where the bottom row of keys was: Left CTRL, Function, Windows, and Left Alt. Now, if I'm understanding correctly, the CTRL is called the Command key in Apple world. The Alt key is called Option. I thought using Command plus Option made up the VO key. Yet, earlier today I was reading an article where it said you should use Command with VO to perform certain functions. So, maybe I am completely off. I find navigating with VO on a keyboard more difficult than it needs to be. Now, I did switch the VO key to my Caps key in iOS, but I don't like feeling dumb about how to manipulate my phone using the traditional VO keys. If someone could enlighten me, I would be very appreciative. 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