Hi wile this is all well and interesting why is there 2 coppies of every single message in this thred? It is kindof annoying to try to read this when jaws keeps on repeating eery single message twice and thisis wile using the read all command and arrowing through with the arrow keys. From Mich.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mo Khan Sent: June 9, 2023 6:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: series of notes on mastodon and accessibility What follows is a series of Mastodon posts from Pratik Patel. He discusses not only the announcements from the WWDC keynote but he also documents his impressions of the first developer beta of iOS 17. Original Source Pratik Patel: Once #WWDC23 goes live, I'll have my usual thread of #accessibility related content here. I used to do this on Twitter. It involves discussing the announcements as well as testing of features announced prior to and throughout WWDC. I will welcome questions and requests for testing. I think I'll like doing this here much more than I did on Twitter. Oh and this thread will probably go on for months. I'll post things periodically as updates come. #WWDC2023, 5 days ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Once #WWDC23 goes live, I'll have my usual thread of #accessibility related content here. I used to do this on Twitter. It involves discussing the announcements as well as testing of features announced prior to and throughout WWDC. I will welcome questions and requests for testing. I think I'll like doing this here much more than I did on Twitter. Oh and this thread will probably go on for months. I'll post things periodically as updates come. #WWDC2023, 5 days ago, Mastodon 1 of 31 Pratik Patel: Before we go on to discuss #WWDC and Apple #accessibility on this thread, as is my usual annual practice, here's a reminder that you should not install beta software on your primary devices. Wait for public betas or actual releases. They're apt to break major functionality. And, despite all the latest consternation about Apple not fixing long-standing bugs, I do encourage you to report them if you install a beta. They do fix them. The more reports there are, the more info they have. #WWDC23, 2 of 31 Pratik Patel: Before we go on to discuss #WWDC and Apple #accessibility on this thread, as is my usual annual practice, here's a reminder that you should not install beta software on your primary devices. Wait for public betas or actual releases. They're apt to break major functionality. And, despite all the latest consternation about Apple not fixing long-standing bugs, I do encourage you to report them if you install a beta. They do fix them. The more reports there are, the more info they have. #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: I know you want to try the latest and the greatest. But you also want to be completely sure that what you need day-to-day will work on your device. So be absolutely sure that you're not going to need your phone, or your iPad for important work or something else. You'll here me talk about possible bugs and behaviors along with testing notes on this thread. Being a rather technical user, I know how to get out of situations that I put myself in. So, Just be careful! #WWDC #WWDC23 #Accessibility, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: I know you want to try the latest and the greatest. But you also want to be completely sure that what you need day-to-day will work on your device. So be absolutely sure that you're not going to need your phone, or your iPad for important work or something else. You'll here me talk about possible bugs and behaviors along with testing notes on this thread. Being a rather technical user, I know how to get out of situations that I put myself in. So, Just be careful! #WWDC #WWDC23 #Accessibil 3 of 31 Pratik Patel: Oh, and don't expect me to live-toot or something like that. I might occasionally pop-in and say something that interests me about #WWDC. A lot of #accessibility announcements have been prebaked when Apple announced all the major changes and features coming to their operating systems in May. If I see something that will impact accessibility, I'll note it during the keynote or, if I think of it, after the keynote. #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Oh, and don't expect me to live-toot or something like that. I might occasionally pop-in and say something that interests me about #WWDC. A lot of #accessibility announcements have been prebaked when Apple announced all the major changes and features coming to their operating systems in May. If I see something that will impact accessibility, I'll note it during the keynote or, if I think of it, after the keynote. #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 4 of 31 Pratik Patel: Having flexible gesture based controls could be much more useful disabled people with motor and/or some physical disabilities. As game controllers and other devices such as bluetooth keyboards / pointers will be available, switch controls will also probably work. And eye based navigation will work quite well. This, of course, poses some significant concerns for #blind people who will not be able to interact using eyes. Even authentication will be a challenge. #WWDC #accessibility #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Having flexible gesture based controls could be much more useful disabled people with motor and/or some physical disabilities. As game controllers and other devices such as bluetooth keyboards / pointers will be available, switch controls will also probably work. And eye based navigation will work quite well. This, of course, poses some significant concerns for #blind people who will not be able to interact using eyes. Even authentication will be a challenge. #WWDC #accessibility #WWDC23, 5 of 31 Pratik Patel: So. I'm waiting for Apple to answer some of those questions. For #blind people, performing finger based gestures will most probably work the same as it does with devices with touch surfaces. Since, any surface will do, gestures could be performed without having to worry about the device. Nothing to say that the #accessibility story for the #VisionPro device will be as mature as other Apple devices. We'll just have to wait and see. #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: So. I'm waiting for Apple to answer some of those questions. For #blind people, performing finger based gestures will most probably work the same as it does with devices with touch surfaces. Since, any surface will do, gestures could be performed without having to worry about the device. Nothing to say that the #accessibility story for the #VisionPro device will be as mature as other Apple devices. We'll just have to wait and see. #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 6 of 31 Pratik Patel: A bit of a concern for physical/motor disabilities: We have to consider the initial step of putting the device on. It may not be doable independently. Some of the ergonomic issues also can be either exacerbated or could be relieved by the interface shown in #VisionPro. Keep in mind that these are a lot of random thoughts just based on what I heard in the Apple keynote. There will be a lot of discovery over the week as we see APIs and discussions. Stay Tuned. #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: A bit of a concern for physical/motor disabilities: We have to consider the initial step of putting the device on. It may not be doable independently. Some of the ergonomic issues also can be either exacerbated or could be relieved by the interface shown in #VisionPro. Keep in mind that these are a lot of random thoughts just based on what I heard in the Apple keynote. There will be a lot of discovery over the week as we see APIs and discussions. Stay Tuned. #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC 7 of 31 Pratik Patel: As a blind person, what excites me just by watching this is the strong possibility of having apps such as Envision, Seeing AI and others take advantage of this new #VisionPro platform to bring their apps on it. It's far more powerful than anything that we've seen before. It erases a lot of challenges with phone cameras. #WWDC #accessibility #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: As a blind person, what excites me just by watching this is the strong possibility of having apps such as Envision, Seeing AI and others take advantage of this new #VisionPro platform to bring their apps on it. It's far more powerful than anything that we've seen before. It erases a lot of challenges with phone cameras. #WWDC #accessibility #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 8 of 31 Pratik Patel: All of this excitement aside, the device is certainly going to be bloody expenseive. So whether disabled people will be able to afford this will be another question entirely. The question will be whether to purchase stand-alone hardware like Envision's glasses or #VisionPro with the possibility that apps like Aira,, Seeing AI, and others will show up here. A device that allows for consolidated #accessibility experience or something that stands alone? #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: All of this excitement aside, the device is certainly going to be bloody expenseive. So whether disabled people will be able to afford this will be another question entirely. The question will be whether to purchase stand-alone hardware like Envision's glasses or #VisionPro with the possibility that apps like Aira,, Seeing AI, and others will show up here. A device that allows for consolidated #accessibility experience or something that stands alone? #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 9 of 31 Pratik Patel: On the other hand, Apple updating Airpods to make them more useful for #accessibility purposes is extremely good. Adaptive hearing based on the environmental sounds will be quite useful for hearing health as well as quite a few deaf and hard of hearing people. Apple is silently making Airpods Pro their true hearing show piece. Note that I'm not sure whether these features will be limited to Airpods Pro yet. More when I know. #WWDC WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: On the other hand, Apple updating Airpods to make them more useful for #accessibility purposes is extremely good. Adaptive hearing based on the environmental sounds will be quite useful for hearing health as well as quite a few deaf and hard of hearing people. Apple is silently making Airpods Pro their true hearing show piece. Note that I'm not sure whether these features will be limited to Airpods Pro yet. More when I know. #WWDC WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 10 of 31 Pratik Patel: Now, let me see if I could take a look at some other iOS/Mac OS features that could benefit #accessibility. The live voicemail transcripts for phone calls, which allows you to review voicemails as they are being recorded are great for everyone. But better yet, for #accessibility. Transcripts also come to voice messages. Great for Deaf/HH people. Better keyboard suggestions through ML--note Apple never said the word #AI, will enable speedy typing. #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Now, let me see if I could take a look at some other iOS/Mac OS features that could benefit #accessibility. The live voicemail transcripts for phone calls, which allows you to review voicemails as they are being recorded are great for everyone. But better yet, for #accessibility. Transcripts also come to voice messages. Great for Deaf/HH people. Better keyboard suggestions through ML--note Apple never said the word #AI, will enable speedy typing. #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 11 of 31 Pratik Patel: I'm choosing to see the new Airdrop features as a major #accessibility winn in iOS/iPad OS. Lot of the new features are based on convenience. And they work quite nicely to enhance accessibility. #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 12 of 31 Pratik Patel: This is something new. I'd never expected Eloquence on iOS 17 to have a lisp. Lol. #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 13 of 31 Pratik Patel: I see a lot of people ignored my earlier warning about not downloading Developer betas for iOS, iPadOS, Mac OS on their primary devices. I swear I might mute you if you complain too much. *Sigh!* #WWDC #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon 14 of 31 Pratik Patel: Either Downloading Siri voices takes a long time on iOS devices or the functionality is broken in iOS 17 Dev beta 1. Trying to test Siri Voices for Voiceover since the neural voices are supposed to be available rather than natural voices. #accessibility, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Either Downloading Siri voices takes a long time on iOS devices or the functionality is broken in iOS 17 Dev beta 1. Trying to test Siri Voices for Voiceover since the neural voices are supposed to be available rather than natural voices. #accessibility, 1 day ago, Mastodon 15 of 31 Pratik Patel: 7 #accessibility developer sessions at #WWDC this week. Woe. Seems like we will find out a little about #VisionOS's accessibility since there is a session that will show developers about how to build accessible experiences. This answers some of the questions. We will have access to that new platform. since iOS and iPadOS frameworks are built-in, I was pretty sure. Sessions will also sshow devs how to adapt the new Assistive framework and more., 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: 7 #accessibility developer sessions at #WWDC this week. Woe. Seems like we will find out a little about #VisionOS's accessibility since there is a session that will show developers about how to build accessible experiences. This answers some of the questions. We will have access to that new platform. since iOS and iPadOS frameworks are built-in, I was pretty sure. Sessions will also sshow devs how to adapt the new Assistive framework and more., 1 day ago, Mastodon 16 of 31 Pratik Patel: Lots of little buggies to file. Guess what I'll be doing while my body refuses to get sleep? #accessibility #WWDC, 1 day ago, Mastodon 17 of 31 Pratik Patel: Before I go do some other things like take a break, I'll end on a positive note for tonight. So far, I haven't seen the Braille panning bug that was in iOS 16.5 I also haven't had an eloquence crash, though it's pretty early for that. I fully intend to test Braille. So let me know if there's something specific you want me to test, not only Braille but other things as well. #accessibility #WWDC, 1 day ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Before I go do some other things like take a break, I'll end on a positive note for tonight. So far, I haven't seen the Braille panning bug that was in iOS 16.5 I also haven't had an eloquence crash, though it's pretty early for that. I fully intend to test Braille. So let me know if there's something specific you want me to test, not only Braille but other things as well. #accessibility #WWDC, 1 day ago, Mastodon 18 of 31 Pratik Patel: Couple of notes on iOS 17 and speech: The lisp that Eloquence is displaying is related to the higher sampling rate that's now configurable through voice settings. I believe I have it set properly to let me listen comfortably. For Eloq, each voice can be configured settings such as pitch, pitch offset, head size, etc. #accessibility #WWDC23 #WWDC, 17 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Couple of notes on iOS 17 and speech: The lisp that Eloquence is displaying is related to the higher sampling rate that's now configurable through voice settings. I believe I have it set properly to let me listen comfortably. For Eloq, each voice can be configured settings such as pitch, pitch offset, head size, etc. #accessibility #WWDC23 #WWDC, 17 hours ago, Mastodon 19 of 31 Pratik Patel: Eloquence's dictionary issue still exists. Navada Access will continue to be a thing for now. Let's see if we can change this. These settings also exist for Eloq on the Mac. Settings are also available for Vocalizer voices. The voice must be active or in language rotor to configure. These settings are related to things such as pauses. #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC23, 17 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Eloquence's dictionary issue still exists. Navada Access will continue to be a thing for now. Let's see if we can change this. These settings also exist for Eloq on the Mac. Settings are also available for Vocalizer voices. The voice must be active or in language rotor to configure. These settings are related to things such as pauses. #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC23, 17 hours ago, Mastodon 20 of 31 Pratik Patel: The instability I'd reported for Siri voices was nothing more than growing pains for the initial dev beta release. Some people might have seen the original Siri voices that were incredibly large, over 350 MB in size. After a little while, the new Siri voices showed up for download. As far as I can tell, these are all under 70 MB in size. They are quite responsive. I've tested the American ones for now. I'll create audio demos later in the day. #accessibility #WWDC, 17 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: The instability I'd reported for Siri voices was nothing more than growing pains for the initial dev beta release. Some people might have seen the original Siri voices that were incredibly large, over 350 MB in size. After a little while, the new Siri voices showed up for download. As far as I can tell, these are all under 70 MB in size. They are quite responsive. I've tested the American ones for now. I'll create audio demos later in the day. #accessibility #WWDC, 17 hours ago, Mastodon 21 of 31 Pratik Patel: As I suspected, Voiceover will be on the #VisionPro device and we'll be able to use the finger as a pointer rather than eyes. Now we just need to know how authentication will work. Speaking of authentication and signing into devices, one of the features that Apple didn't discuss for iOS/iPad OS was the ability to signin to a new device if you have nearby devices already signed in. #accessibility #WWDC, 16 hours ago, Mastodon 22 of 31 Pratik Patel: As I suspected, Voiceover will be on the #VisionPro device and we'll be able to use the finger as a pointer rather than eyes. Now we just need to know how authentication will work. Speaking of authentication and signing into devices, one of the features that Apple didn't discuss for iOS/iPad OS was the ability to signin to a new device if you have nearby devices already signed in. #accessibility #WWDC, 16 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: I'll be eager to watch tthe #WWDC session that discusses the ability for developers to conduct accessibility audits in their own apps. It's one of the 7 #accessibility sessions. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xctest/xcuiapplication/4191487-performaccessibilityaudit, 16 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: I'll be eager to watch tthe #WWDC session that discusses the ability for developers to conduct accessibility audits in their own apps. It's one of the 7 #accessibility sessions. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xctest/xcuiapplication/4191487-performaccessibilityaudit, 16 hours ago, Mastodon 23 of 31 Pratik Patel: The full #accessibility story for the #VisionOS and the #VisionPro initial device is far more impressive than I'd imagined. Then again I shouldn't be surprised. Even if Apple has a checkered past about maintaining some of the features properly as they should, they do have an ethos of making products fully accessible from the start. The list of accessibility features supported out of the box on these new devices is in the next post, which I gathered from the State of the Union. #WWDC #WWDC23, 13 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: The full #accessibility story for the #VisionOS and the #VisionPro initial device is far more impressive than I'd imagined. Then again I shouldn't be surprised. Even if Apple has a checkered past about maintaining some of the features properly as they should, they do have an ethos of making products fully accessible from the start. The list of accessibility features supported out of the box on these new devices is in the next post, which I gathered from the State of the Union. #WWDC #WWDC23 24 of 31 Pratik Patel: Full list of #accessibility. VoiceOver Braille Audio Descriptions Support Per-App Settings Zoom Dynamic Type Reduce Transparency Reduce White Point Color Filters Bold Text Voice Control Spoken Content Background Sounds Pointer Control Dwell Control Button Shapes Accessibility Shortcut AssistiveTouch MFi Hearing Devices Subtitles and Closed Captions Switch Control Full Keyboard Access Image Descriptions Guided Access Reduce Motion Left/Right Balance Mono Audio #WWDC #WWD 25 of 31 Pratik Patel: Full list of #accessibility. VoiceOver Braille Audio Descriptions Support Per-App Settings Zoom Dynamic Type Reduce Transparency Reduce White Point Color Filters Bold Text Voice Control Spoken Content Background Sounds Pointer Control Dwell Control Button Shapes Accessibility Shortcut AssistiveTouch MFi Hearing Devices Subtitles and Closed Captions Switch Control Full Keyboard Access Image Descriptions Guided Access Reduce Motion Left/Right Balance Mono Audio #WWDC #WWDC23, 13 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Looking through a couple of interesting API additions from #WWDC related to #accessibility. If your app has a custom video player--I'm looking at you the app formerly known as HBO Max, you can automatically detect flashing lights and dim them. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/mediaaccessibility/maflashinglightsprocessor?changes=latest_minor #WWDC23, 12 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Looking through a couple of interesting API additions from #WWDC related to #accessibility. If your app has a custom video player--I'm looking at you the app formerly known as HBO Max, you can automatically detect flashing lights and dim them. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/mediaaccessibility/maflashinglightsprocessor?changes=latest_minor #WWDC23, 12 hours ago, Mastodon 26 of 31 Pratik Patel: The more I use iOS 17 and iPadOS 17, the more I suspect that the automatic image descriptions feature has gotten an upgrade. I'm getting better descriptions than I was in iOS 16. I don't think it's my imagination. Could others confirm this? I'll have to set up scenarios where I get descriptions from the same source with both OS'. I think this could be fun or tedius. For now, I'll take it as fun. #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC23, 9 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: The more I use iOS 17 and iPadOS 17, the more I suspect that the automatic image descriptions feature has gotten an upgrade. I'm getting better descriptions than I was in iOS 16. I don't think it's my imagination. Could others confirm this? I'll have to set up scenarios where I get descriptions from the same source with both OS'. I think this could be fun or tedius. For now, I'll take it as fun. #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC23, 9 hours ago, Mastodon 27 of 31 Pratik Patel: And, I just watched the session that looks at #VisionOS #accessibility details. It's really really good. I'll come back with notes., 9 hours ago, Mastodon 28 of 31 Pratik Patel: Apple is truly making the betas available to everyone. So I'll remind you again not to install betas, no matter how stable you think they are, on primary devices. That said, iOS 17 betas are remarkably stable. Things could change. I've seen things breaking down in subsequent betas based on what I've seen. I'm not surprised about the stability in this release since most features are nothing major unlike iOS 16. Same re iPad OS and Mac OS. Just be careful! #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC23, 4 hours ago, Mastodon Pratik Patel: Apple is truly making the betas available to everyone. So I'll remind you again not to install betas, no matter how stable you think they are, on primary devices. That said, iOS 17 betas are remarkably stable. Things could change. I've seen things breaking down in subsequent betas based on what I've seen. I'm not surprised about the stability in this release since most features are nothing major unlike iOS 16. Same re iPad OS and Mac OS. Just be careful! #accessibility #WWDC #WWDC23, 4 hour 29 of 31 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . 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