| You have no idea what you are talking about. You clearly are not understanding what I am saying. If you actually used VoiceOver everyday as I do, what I said would make sense. I'll simply stick with Voice Dream Reader.
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On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:54 AM, Ivan Icin <labsiiser...@gmail.com> wrote:
Richard,
I am not completely sure what you meant by this statement.
Thus far I know certainly that you can't access some adjustable controls in my app on main screen (play button gestures and speed button gestures).
As far as I understand your description, you can't access any such controls on your device whether they are in my app or in another app?
That would make sense, as speed is alternatively set by sliders in settings, which are also adjustable system provided controls, which would explain on why you couldn't set the speed from the very start in any way.
Further your description sounds like that you can't perform this action in Voice Dream either. That Audio settings button in Voice Dream is not meant just for displaying the speed as you have quoted, but rather for adjusting the speed by VoiceOver swipe up and down gestures.
As such your reflection makes more sense now, but then your device is not working properly (the only second option would be that you don't perform this gestures properly which is much less likely).
If you can't use the system control called slider in an accessible way like other VoiceOver users can, that is certainly a big problem that you should fix not because of Speech Central but because it is a widely used control and if it doesn't work many apps will become inaccessible for you though they are actually accessible.
One more remark to this - I had a chat week or two ago with one local blind user who has self-discovered those gestures and used them. So it isn't that hard like one user here pointed out.
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 3:01:23 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
It is over the button labeled Audio Settings and it tells you the number of words per minute.
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Richard,
I have just tried and it works. For speed it may not be obvious as it will just repeat the sentence at a bit higher or slower speed but with two or three swipes the difference will be quite noticeable.
Voice Dream Reader has a similar VoiceOver adjustable gesture for speed (I think that it is over their button that should be titled “Speech”). Can you perform such a gesture there?
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:50:45 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
Ivan, I am using a 13 Pro. And flicking up or down on the speed button does only switch between standard and high. Flicking up or down on the play button doesn't seem to do anything. I will revisit it again after reading the helps.
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for the speed when that standard/high speed button is focused with VoiceOver you should hear 'adjustable', which means that you can swipe up and down to do something. In this case it is to increase the current speed (this way you can customise the value of both standard and high speed depending on the state of that button). This is also available in the Settings where you can find sliders to customize those two values (and that is the only way you can adjust those values for those that don't use VoiceOver)
For the navigation the story is a bit more complex as this is a bit more different than VDR, but in some way it may be even more capable. You need to be aware of those layers: - navigation is at the high level accommodated to be of maximal use with headphones and other audio devices (there are tactile audio commands on all Apple's headphones and most of the 3rd party ones). As such it is based on multiple standard audio commands and some their gestures. As I side note I find somewhat strange that people with eyesight to some extent prefer to use the app with headphones while blind people that are not in any way handicapped in using the headphones and are to some extent handicapped in using the screen extremely prefer to use the screen and I don't have any explanation for that - even as I have asked few blind people for the feedback. However I try to support every use case the best it can be so the app is certainly useful in that way too. - every standard audio command (play/pause, skip forward, skip backword, next, previous) and gesture (quick press of the volume up and then volume down button or quick press of the volume down and then volume up button) can be customised in the app's Settings to execute any of the commands that you have mentioned (like going to the next paragraph, sentence, etc).
Assuming that you are using the screen and not the headphones one question would be where to find / how to use those audio commands on the screen. So here is a general overview: - if VoiceOver is focused on the Play/Pause button you will hear that it is 'adjustable'. In this context means that if you swipe up or down it will issue audio command skip forward/backward - Previous and next buttons are visible on the toolbar (and on the bigger screens like iPads or landscape on bigger iPhones you will see also skip forward and backward buttons - If you use the screen you can certainly press the volume down and very quickly volume up button (or opposite) to execute some navigation command that you have set for those gestures
- Page indicator is adjustable control too, so you can swipe up or down there to navigate pages (but this works only on PDFs, other formats don't have built-in page definitions - at the moment I am not sure for DAISY as it has that information but I can't remember if there is the logic to extract it). This is visible on most modern devices, except on iPhone SE variants
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 12:19:49 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
Can you explain: 1. How to adjust the speed on the fly while reading? 2. How to navigate by sentence, paragraph, page, heading, or bookmark? Is there an instruction guide? I will give it more time. The only adjusting of the speed I can find is between standard and high speed. Not terribly useful for me. Richard, USA. “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com Richard, First thanks for trying the app, I really appreciate it. Second it is reasonable that you can be as proficient in few minutes as the app that you were using for more than 10 years. So if you say for the speed change, yes you can change the speed with VoiceOver gestures from the main screen. As it is done from the speed button I think it is fairly straightforward, though again it is reasonable that some might not discover that in few minutes. I haven't fully understand what way of navigating you wanted to make, but preliminary I don't think that your explanation is correct in any use case. As such I cannot underestimate your effort to try the app and even provide some positive elements of feedback. Still my app has options to use Neural voices that are like 10 years ahead of anything in Voice Dream Reader, many other options that that app doesn't have and simply calling it a cheap option for someone who doesn't have the money to pay doesn't sound right. Again nothing wrong if you prefer Voice Dream Reader for whatever reason - even if you just got used to it, but I don't find that statement as proper. Just for the record I know multiple blind users that have switched from Voice Dream Reader to Speech Central as they find it better for various reasons even as they have already paid the license. Some are using both for various use cases, as said there are many things that Voice Dream Reader (or Speech Central if you look from another perspective) cannot do. I can fully agree only on the limited Bookshare support though, but it started with enthusiasm on both sides and ended few months later when those people that approved my partnership left Bookshare and those that came didn't even want to reply most of the time... As such it is still where it was like 5 years ago and it certainly left some things to desire. On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:32:54 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: Ivan, I just spent some time with Speech Central. To be completely honest, it is rather clunky to find a book on Bookshare, but that could be lived with. The fact that it cannot seem to navigate easily without having to stop and use the navigation button is a drawback. Also, not being able to change the reading speed on the fly. But, for those who cannot afford Voice Dream Reader, I can see why you get very good reviews. “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin Just to note that there are also few other apps that are Bookshare partners. I am aware of Capti Voice, but there should be some more I think. Again every app has its pros and cons and I always encourage people to try all of them and find the one that suits them the best. Especially in this community as my work in this domain is completely non-profit and I don’t have any direct benefits if someone decides to use my app (and the only indirect benefit is that I may get some more reviews on the App Store). Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks and other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud enough volume. Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel Richard, you said: I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year. I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see further improvements in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These are characteristics that other similar apps already have. I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version. If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion. I've let the owners know that. I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable. I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year. I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app. Nor am I very impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app. Later, Richard, USA. “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few days ago. So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app. On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: Well, you are correct, of course. At least, mostly. However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader for the Mac computers only. Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the company before he did that. So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions. So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the Mac version. At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong. HTH, Richard, USA. “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are people in the US that were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price was there very recently. Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I wasn't sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't diametrically opposed to what I said. On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote: I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked there, currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual Subscription$79.99. Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each. What country are you in? Richard, USA. “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe You have information on pricing in the App Store. Currently they are experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings the most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and several lower So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that you are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, which is the overall range that they use. On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: Where did you get that price from? That is much higher than had been announced. “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words: Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If you already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, but the system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition and it it technically possible that some users might need to pay, though that should be a very tiny ratio. Other that that when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote: That is a good question...:)
I had the same issue.
Tim
On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com <leoba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and family
> sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through
> one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops up
> saying that it is not possible. Is anyone having this issue?
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