It's a rip off, I plan on buying my next router and modem cut down on what I have to pay the cable company.
On 7/8/23, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote: > No Sieghard, they do not stop charging for the modem; they consider it > renting. Cable TV and Internet here in my area in Maryland is very > expensive. I used to pay around 146 dollars a month, even though I have my > own modem, which saved me 15 dollars a month. I canceled the cable TV and > kept the internet. Now I am paying 90 a month with a 2 years contract. > Thanks to my iPhone and iPad I can brouse tv programs and news using various > apps without difficultes. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 8, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> >> But considering that you are paying them probably a fairly good amount of >> money for your monthly servicve, I really have a problem with them >> charging for a modem which costs a few hundred Dollars. Chances are it is >> paid after 2 or 3 years and I doubt they will stop charging you. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Carolyn Arnold >> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 7:15 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from >> Mark >> >> Our provider charges six dollars a month for modem - worth it to me, >> since, if anything goes wrong, they could not get away with blaming it on >> a modem from Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 9:52 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from >> Mark >> >> Hmm, I know here in Canada we pay some of the highest prices for cell >> plans and also internet, but I certainly was never charged for a modem. I >> am currently with a relatively small regional provider as they have been >> installing fiber cables throughout our small community for years whereas >> Telus, the big player, can't be bothered to do so. When I first signed up >> for my business as well as my home to get a fiber connection the company >> sent out an installer who brought the fiber cable to my house/store from >> the street and then hooked up their modem and none of that cost me >> anything. Their modem does have Wi-Fi capabilities, but only has 2 ports >> if you want to hook up anything by cable so I prefer to have my Netgear >> Orbi router which at least gives me 4 ports and more control over the >> Wi-Fi. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Cris Ali >> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 4:17 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from >> Mark >> >> Hi Sieghard, >> My provider charges 15 dollars a month for their modem. That adds up to >> 180 US dollars a year. I bought my NetGear Modem/router in 2015 for 140 >> dollars, but saved myself at least 1200 dollars in the last eight years. I >> will look into buying a modem and a router, but will not let my provider >> steal my money. I am already paying.close to 100 dollars for the service >> each month. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 7, 2023, at 6:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>> >>> I would absolutely separate modem and router, the modem you should get >>> from your ISP, if it is also a Wi-Fi router make sure they turn that off >>> and use your own. >>> This way they are responsible for getting the internet connection into >>> your house and to their modem, from there you connect your router and >>> have control over your Wi-Fi, maybe a guest Wi-Fi if you set that up, you >>> can make sure your router is updated and has a good and strong password. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> Cris Ali >>> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 3:07 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates >>> from Mark >>> >>> Thanks a million for this thoughtful explanation Sieghard. You really >>> gave me great information and things to consider before I rush into >>> ordering a new router. I thought of the Amazon Eero, but it does not have >>> a modem builtin.i prefer a modem/router combo. Currently I have an eight >>> years old netgear modem/router combo. It is time to upgrade. >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jul 5, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>> Chris, you do not need a Wi-Fi 6 or 6E network for smart home devices. >>>> The main benefit of adding the 6 Ghz band is that a router can support >>>> up to 200 devices so unless you think you will have that many there is >>>> no huge benefit. Some of the most bandwidth hungry devices are security >>>> cameras, video doorbells and so on and even here you don't need Wi-Fi 6 >>>> and in fact most of them on the market at this point don't even support >>>> the Wi-Fi 6 standard yet. >>>> I own a retail store and we run 7 video cameras and a Nest Door Bell >>>> which are all streaming simultaneously, there are 4 VoIP telephones and >>>> we do at times have 3 phone calls going at the same time, there are 2 >>>> smart thermostats, 3 Google Mini smart speakers which are set up to play >>>> notifications from the Nest Video Door Bell, there are 3 Sonos Amp >>>> receivers for music, a controller for our window shutters and I know I >>>> forgot some stuff because when I was logged into my router the other day >>>> I saw that just over 50 devices were connected. All of this runs >>>> flawlessly and with 0 issues on a Netgear Orbi mesh system with 1 >>>> satellite in a 6500 square foot store and I have a 500 down and 250 up >>>> fiber internet connection. >>>> You have to remember that things like light switches, smart plugs, smart >>>> locks and all that sort of stuff really only requires a very minimal >>>> amount of data and there is a reason why quite a few smart home devices >>>> still communicate on the 2.4 Ghz band; it is plenty enough and it has a >>>> better range and is not effected as much by walls and such. >>>> Now, don't get me wrong, if I were to set up a new Wi-Fi network or had >>>> to upgrade because of router issues, I would absolutely recommend to go >>>> with a router which supports the Wi-Fi 6E standard although Wi-Fi 7 is >>>> already onb the horizon and that is the reason why I am in no hurry to >>>> upgrade, I'll most likely wait until there is a good Wi-Fi 7 router on >>>> the market. >>>> Another aspect which will be much more relevant to home automation and >>>> smart devices is support for the new Matter standard and if you are >>>> looking for a new router, don't buy anything which does not have >>>> thread/Matter support. You can Google it, but in short it allows devices >>>> connected to the Wi-Fi to communicate directly with each other without >>>> going out over the Internet. This is a huge step forward because it >>>> means many of your devices would even still work if there were no >>>> internet connection because, for example, your smart lock or smart light >>>> switch or smart light bulb communicates directly with your iPhojne on >>>> the Wi-Fi network whereas now the communication also requires a working >>>> internet connection. >>>> I know for sure that the Amazon Eeros mesh system has thread support and >>>> it's actually supposed to be one of the better mesh systems for home >>>> automation, I believe maybe the Google mesh system also has it, but not >>>> totally sure. I would also make sure that any smart home device you buy >>>> whether it's a thermostat, smart lock or light bulb has Matter support. >>>> There are more and more devices coming on the market now and in some >>>> cases companies can add this through a software update, but check it and >>>> make sure it's supported and you'll be glad you did a few years down the >>>> road. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >>>> Of Cris Ali >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:54 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates >>>> from Mark >>>> >>>> Mark, >>>> Since you mentioned the Mesh Linksys router, i am curious if Linksys has >>>> a modem/wireless router combo that supports Wi-Fi 6E. I am trying to >>>> slowly make my home a smart home based on the Apple Home Kit. This >>>> requires a very fast router for faster responses from the smart home >>>> accessories. If you have any info, please share. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 11:28 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Richard, >>>>> >>>>> Wow! Thank you for the feedback on the TV Plus series. >>>>> >>>>> Interesting about the range extenders and Sonos. >>>>> >>>>> My personal opinion on routers is that people start to favor a brand or >>>>> model and simply stick with it. I am certain that Net Gear and other >>>>> brands are excellent. However, I started with Linksys and know the OS, >>>>> by heart, and so see no need to switch as long as the brand continues >>>>> to update. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >>>>> Of Richard Turner >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 4:17 PM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates >>>>> from Mark >>>>> >>>>> Mark, I can only comment on a couple things. >>>>> Apple TV plus is excellent. I just watched the first three episodes of >>>>> Hijack and am impressed. >>>>> We just bought a new Wi-Fi router, an Archer 8a I think by TP-Link. It >>>>> greatly increased our download speed. And I believe gives us better >>>>> coverage. We cannot use range extenders because our Sonos sound system >>>>> doesn't link extenders. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard, USA. >>>>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of >>>>> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ >>>>> John Ruskin My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 4:03 PM, M. Taylor <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple >>>>> of questions I have can be answered by experts on either list. >>>>> >>>>> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US. >>>>> >>>>> 1. >>>>> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try. I have been resistant >>>>> to it because I do not need all of the features included in the plan >>>>> but, quite frankly, the billing is better when bundled. I have to >>>>> admit that being able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, >>>>> in Apple Music, is very, very nice. Here is a question: Is it >>>>> possible to place VoiceOver focus such that as the lyric being sung is >>>>> automatically read out by VO? >>>>> >>>>> 2. >>>>> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus: Any suggestions as to how best >>>>> to get started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch? >>>>> >>>>> 3. >>>>> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay. >>>>> >>>>> I must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the >>>>> non-default card, at time of purchase, is so easy. I had been >>>>> reluctant to add a second card, for just that reason. >>>>> >>>>> 4. >>>>> Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of >>>>> these, apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward >>>>> to watching Highjacked and Silo. >>>>> >>>>> 5. >>>>> I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in >>>>> terms of technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two >>>>> remaining hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running >>>>> Windows 7 The Windows 7 PC is not connected to the internet. >>>>> >>>>> 6. >>>>> Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot >>>>> imagine using them as a primary means of navigating my life. >>>>> >>>>> 7. >>>>> Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread >>>>> that asked about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and >>>>> range extenders. In fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my >>>>> home, just last week. I was delighted to discover that when you >>>>> connect to these devices, for the first time, on an iOS device, the >>>>> device's built-in web interface automatically launches, prompting >>>>> you for the required info. Very, very, impressive. In fact, now >>>>> that I think about it, these new devices can tell you when they are >>>>> in the best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same >>>>> network. How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have >>>>> only scratched the surface on all that is to come. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply >>>>> to this thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, >>>>> also. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>> itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>>> >>>>> mailto:mk...@ucla.edu. 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