I have the issue sometimes, but I’ve always been able to resolve it, and, Chrome and Firefox are also accessible on the mac, so you don’t even need to use safari if you are having these problems.
> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Brandon Olivares <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think this is a bit overblown. Sure I sometimes get the issue but really > not that often. I used to get it far worse before the M1 chip. Every so often > it happens now, but restarting VoiceOver always does the trick. > > I certainly remember how often Windows used to freeze up and sometimes I > couldn’t get jaws working again so I had to do a total restart. > >> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:27 PM, janet gross <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone, Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you >> might like to read. >> >> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users >> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow >> Blind Computer Users >> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a longstanding >> issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently become unresponsive >> with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message “Safari not responding.” >> When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may become unusable for up to several >> minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be resolved by switching away from >> Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver can resolve the issue. However, far >> too often, the user is unable to switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver >> off, instead having to simply wait for their Mac to become responsive again. >> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically >> impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low vision >> users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just Safari - >> many other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit browser engine >> can also be affected by the “not responding” problem. >> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the >> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the >> latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even owners >> of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver bug. >> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS versions >> without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and level of >> disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other applications, I can >> unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend Macs to anyone who relies on >> using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug when performing routine, and often >> critical, tasks in Safari and other applications simply makes macOS an >> unreliable and frustrating platform. >> Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and they >> offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple should be >> utterly ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so long without a >> permanent fix. It's a failing that raises serious questions about the >> company's frequently stated commitment to accessibility. There can be no >> doubt that if sighted users were to experience something similar, that it >> would receive significant media coverage and that Apple's response would be >> fast. >> I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and >> permanently solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued VoiceOver >> users for far too long. To this end, I encourage those of you who use >> VoiceOver on Mac to directly contact Apple's accessibility team at >> [email protected] to share your own personal experiences with and >> frustrations about the “Safari not responding” issue. It is important we >> continue putting direct, polite pressure on Apple to prioritise resolving >> this problem. Please be constructive in expressing your concerns. Consider >> also copying Apple CEO Tim Cook on your email by using his publicly shared >> email address [email protected] to ensure he sees the direct impact this >> ongoing bug is having on Apple's blind and low vision customers. >> I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from the >> only issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on problems >> in macOS Sonoma and the replies outline, there are numerous other VoiceOver >> frustrations and failures impacting users. However, it has become a >> yardstick by which Apple's overall performance on and commitment to >> accessibility is being judged. It is a yardstick against which Apple has >> failed for some considerable time. >> I know many of you share my frustration. I welcome your perspectives and >> discussion in the comments. Collectively, we need to apply consumer pressure >> by being vocal about this issue and not purchasing new Macs until the >> “Safari not responding” issue is fixed once and for all. 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