I find that an Arc with two Era 300 and a Sub sounds very nice especially with tracks from Appkle Music which support spacial audio. Having said this, I am a bit of an old school purist when it comes to music and I have a very high-end stereo system I bought around 1996 so if I really want to sit down and listen to music as an activity say for an hour or so, then I go downstairs and fire up the old Sonic Frontiers tube amp. I admit, thought, that I have long since replaced the Sonic CD Transport which was connected to a Sonic Frontiers DA converter with a Sonos Port, at first it was just the older Sonos Connect, but when I upgraded all my old Sonos gear years ago using the 30% upgrade credit Sonos offers, I bought the Port because my Connect was the really old one which would only run on the Sonos S1 app and I really didn’t want to use two apps for Sonos. I still use the Sonic Frontier D/A converter which even back in 1996 cost around $6,000 Canadian, but instead of it getting a digital signal from the CD transport, it is now getting it from the Sonos Port via a digital Coax cable. From the DA converter everything goes via fully balanced XLR cables to a custom built electronic crossover and then to the Sonic Power 2 amp which drives a set of custom-built speakers and anything below the base crossover frequency goes to a Bryston 4NRB power amp which drives a set of custom-build Subwoofers with 12-inch woofers. These are big, about 4 feet tall, 14 inches wide and maybe 18 inches or so deep (in metric measurements that is approx. 125 cm tall, 35 cm wide and 45 cm deep) Not sure what country you are in, but I think most places Sonos offers a very generous no-questions asked return policy, here in Canada and the US you can return anything you buy from Sonos for up to 6 weeks so there really is no risk, just make sure you keep the box and take notes or a video where you narrate how you unpack it as the packaging can be somewhat involved, then after trying it for a few weeks and if you don’t like it, just call Sonos and they send you a prepaid return label, you pack everything up and get a full refund. As for renovations, I do quite a bit myself since I have a fairly well equipped woodworking shop with table saw, miter saw, routers, sanders and many other hand tools, but I still get contractors to do certain things because despite all I can do and my over 20 years of experience doing them, I am stil not a professional and sometimes a job takes at least 2 or more people to do it efficiently. When we renovated I did all the demolision, starting with taking off all the baseboard and door trims, taking the doors off and removing the door jams, ripping the drywall off the walls and loading it on a trailer I borrowed from a friend to take it to the dump, then removing the 2x4 studs left behind which also included cutting open the holes where power cables ran (only cut into a cable once and tripped the breaker 🤣) and prying the top and bottom plates off the floor and ceiling. There was a total of about over 50 feet of walls to remove and then there was the wonderful job of removing 450 square feet of engineered oak hardwood flooring which was glued and stapled to the sub floor. The bedrooms had floating cork flloring which was easy as it just clicks together with a tongue and groove system and it can just as easily be taken apart again. I worked on this many evening and several weekends, my wife helped where she could, but when the contractor came in to frame in the new wall between the living room and new, larger bedroom, everything was out and clean. It only took them a day and a half to frame the wall and then another day to take out the two bedroom windows which were not very big and to enlarge the opening for two new, more energy efficient larger windows. Then the electrician spent 2 days cleaning up all the cables which were dangling everywhere and to re-route them to where the new plugs and switches needed to be. I then did drywall with a young guy who has a renovation/building company with his father in law, he is a good customer at my store and does smallerr jobs for cash, works for him and it saves me a bunch as well. I then had another 2-person team who did all the mudding, sanding and eventually painting. I also had the new engineered hickory hardwood flooring installed by a professional, it once again needed to be glued and stapled but before that he used a cement patch to apply to the subflooring to even out all the rough spots left by tearing out the old flooring and there is simply no way a blind person could do this as some things just require not just functioning eyeballs but also the required skill to do the job. All in all it took 3 weeks to do everything, I did install one of the new interior doors but had the young guy who did the drywalling help me with the other two just because it’s easier and faster. He also installed all the new door and baseboard trim since I got some very nice solid knoddy Alder trim which was expensive and I didn’t want to mess it up. Once again, if you look at the 12-foot or so length of a piece of baseboard trim, a sighted person who knows what they are doing will see where the wall may not be perfectly even and they can scribe these spots with a pencil and then use a grinder to remove what often is not much more than a millimeter or two of material over a 40 or 50 cm length along that piece to make it fit perfectly. I love renovating and building and in particular anything to do with wood, but I kmnow my limitations as well and I wanted this job done in the 3 extra weeks my wife stayed in the Philippines to visit her family so I didn’t have 6 months to try and do it myself, after all, I make my money running a retail business and not a building contracting business so any time I can spend on stuff like this is evenings and Sundays and maybe the odd day I take off from work at my store.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Anouk Radix Sent: Monday, October 9, 2023 4:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: installing apple tv without a tv? Hi Sieghard thanks for that detailed installation. I would be interested to know how you find the sound of your tvsetup(arc+2xera300+sub) for just music listening with airplay 2? As I said I now have 2 era300 speakers (my first sonos speakers, love the sonos app on ios and on pc! would be nice though if it supported google cast as well as a fer more bluetooth codecs though). But am thinking of also getting the arc and sub. Which is probbably totally overkill in my situation. but still: is it any good for just music listening through airplay? Thanks in advance for any information and I admire your sills to be able to renovate your own home. Greetings, Anouk, Op ma 9 okt 2023 om 01:26 schreef Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: Hello Anouk, No problem, always happy to discuss Sonos. I have actually downsized my Sonos system considerably. I used to have 3 stereo pairs of Sonos One speakers, a set of Sonos One SL which were my rear speakers in a setup with at first a Sonos Playbar and Gen 1 Sub and later with an Arc and Gen 3 Sub. We also had a stereo pair of Play 5 in the bedroom, note these were the older, second generation Play 5 speakers which were replaced by the Sonos Five. The Sonos One speakers I had set up as a stereo pair in the kitchen, another stereo pair in my woodworking shop and the third was and actually still is a stereo pair in our bathroom. The first change was that we did a pretty major renovation to the upstairs of our house which consisted of a living room, kitchen, a short hallway, a guest bedroom, another smaller bedroom which I used as office and the slightly larger but still not very large master bedroom, and of course also a bathroom. I started out by ripping out all interior walls from the living room and hallway to the guest bedroom as well as from the guest bedroom to the office and from the office to the master bedroom. This left us with one large, slightly L-shaped area for the entire half of the upstairs which was not stairs, kitchen and bathroom, a little more than 700 square feet as the entire house has a footprint of just under 1100 square feet. We then partitioned off a new, larger master bedroom across the entire width of the house towards the backyard, still only about 11 feet wide, but 25 feet across. One one end I divided off about 4 feet which is now a walk-in clothet. The new living room where we now use the part towards the front of the house as a dining area, is now about 14 feet wide by 30 feet long and on the other end towards the bedroom wall we set up our couches and a new 8-foot long custom-built entertainment unit. This has our 55-inch LG OLED TV mounted on a wall-mount in the centre with the middle of the screen at about head height when you sit on the couch as it should be. This means it’s mounted a few inches higher than the Sonos Arc sound bar which sits in front of the Tv. Wall-mounted to each side of the main couch where we usually sit to watch TV is a set of Era 300’s as rear speakers and just to the right when you face the TV and at the end of the entertainment unit is the Sonos Sub sitting against the wall. As I built an entirely new wall between the bedroom and living room, I planned for a set of in-wall speakers which are connected to a Sonos Amp for the bedroom. The are pretty much perfectly situated across from the bed and with th ebed right in between the speakers and of course before the drywall was installed I installed the speaker wire to the walk-in clothet where the Sonos Amp sits on a high shelf with an outlet right beside it. In the bathroom we still have a wall-mounted stereo pair of Sonos One speakers. As I don’t do as much woodworking any more as I used to do , I didn’t feel the need to have a stereo pair of Sonos One speakers in my shop, we didn’t need the stereo pair of Play 5 speakers any more which were in our bedroom, the Sonos One SL stereo pair we had as rear speakers got replaced with the Era 300’s and in the kitchen I felt we didn’t need a permanent stereo pair of Sonos Ones, either. So I ended up selling the two pairs of Sonos One and the pair of Sonos One SL as well as my stereo pair of Play 5. I always had a Sonos Move and added a second one setting them up as a stereo pair in the kitchen and as they are battery operated speakers, this would of course allow me to also bring them to my workshop or outside if I wanted. I recently bought a new set of the Sonos Move 2 and I’ll probably sell my set of the original Moves, one is from when they first came out and the other I only bought last February or March so it’s only just over half a year old. I also have a single Sonos Roam which currently sits on it’s magnetic charging base in the bedroom, but it’s probably the one Sonos product I use the least so I’ll probably sell it as well. This means we are down to the following 4 zones/rooms: Living room: Sonos Arc, set of Era 300 and Sonos Sub with the Arc being connected to the EARC HDMI port of our LG 55-Inch C2 OLED TV Bedroom: Sonos Amp connected to a somewhat higher-end set of Paradigm E80 in-wall speakers and in time I will probably add a Sub Mini to that room Bathroom: stereo pair of Sonos Ones Kitchen as well as my shop and outside: a stereo pair of Sonos Move 2 Best regards, Sieghard From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Anouk Radix Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 7:03 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: installing apple tv without a tv? Hi, thanks fo ryour replies! Yes I have two era300s now but am planning to expand my system to the setup that you mentioned in your first message (2xera300+sub+arc). After some more thinking I think that this indeed might not work as I want it too because of the fact that you would stream video+audio from the apple tv (hope jaws reads this better now) to the arc even if I use an earc cable. Thanks for mentioning the extractor have been thinking about this as well. But of course this would get really expensive pretty fast. Just out of curiosity what sonos setup are you running at this time? I remember talking to you on this list about sonos a few years ago and you mentioning htat you wanted to run two play fives. Thanks again for the help and sorry for not being clear the first time around. Sometimes things are clear in my head but when i have to write it down... Greetings, Anouk, Op zo 8 okt 2023 om 08:55 schreef Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: And I just re-read your message and realized you asked specifically about using an Apple TV connected directly to Sonos. Sorry for missing it the first time, you spelled “appletv” as one single word and hearing it with Jaws it didn’t sound much like “Apple TV”. Anyways, to my knowledge the Apple TV’s HDMI output has to be connected to a TV; I tried connecting it once to my Sonos Arc and I got nothing. Maybe there are settings you can change to make this work, I just never bothered a lot because my wife is sighted so we have a fairly new LG OLED smart TV and I never watch/listen to a movie by myself; we do enjoy some movies together, but if I am by myself I’ll prefer a good audio book any day. You may want to call Sonos support and ask if there is a work-around, potentially you could get it to work using one of these “Hdfury Arcana” adapters, they aren’t cheap, but here is the description from their website followed by the link: WORLD’S FIRST eARC adapter that allows FULL AUDIO up to Dolby Atmos over TrueHD from ANY external HDMI source to ANY eARC sound system Perfect solution for SONOS Arc and ANY eARC AVR, soundbar or headphones. In other words, if you have a Sonos Arc which I can’t quite figure out from your message, this adapter would probably allow you to connect your Apple TV which would be considered the “external HDMI source” directly to your Sonos Arc, but once again, I don’t have one of these gadgets so I can’t guaranty it will work. 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