Agreed.  But I doubt they will offer that.  They should also offer the ability to install SD cards as some android phones do for additional storage which would free up more internal memory for AI features.

Marda

On 6/13/2024 2:10 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
hi,
The speed of the advancement of AI is so dramatic that I think it's a bit hard 
to predict how long the phones are going to last, obviously, they can't keep on 
making new phones to suit the new AI, at some point we should be offered the 
possibility of having the chips changed and not the phone, what do people think?
Sandy NZ
Sent from The dark side of the moon

On 13 Jun 2024, at 00:43, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:

I think as iPhone users we really shouldn't complain, apple delivers updates 
to phones usually about 5 years back, but if they introduce something like 
Apple Intelligence which requires such massive amounts of computing power and 
probavbly also RAM, then to me that has nothing to do with planned obsolescence 
and it's no different than if a particular new feature requires specific 
hardware such as when Touch Id or Face Id was introduced or when you have 
features like measuring or determining how far you are from something which 
requires a LiDAR sensor. We should be glad that Apple at least still has some 
kind of standard with respect to privacy and they do as much as possible on 
device instead of just sending it up to the cloud where it is processed on some 
server.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Quite right Richard, I wonder how long the shelf life of the 15 Pro Max will 
prove to be?
Malcolm Parfitt

On 12 Jun 2024, at 7:02 PM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> wrote:

That is what " planned obsolescence" means.  Companies plan on a piece of 
equipment or software to become obscolete so you have to replace it, or put up with the 
reduced effectiveness...



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to 
stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell 
Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

It's a way to sell more phones too.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Nope.

Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple 
Intelligence.  I believe yours has the A16 chip.

As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the 
previous phone’s chip.  So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 pro 
and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and 15 
plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and pro 
max got the new A17.

So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and 
pro max the A18…



This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence.

Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple.













Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to 
stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell 
Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)



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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement



Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple intelligence? 
From Mich.



From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement



Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.

Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received 
the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and 
15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 Bionic 
from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro and Pro Max 
received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is that chip which 
seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. This year the 
regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last year and I 
assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum requirements for Apple 
Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is what they will be called 
will get the latest A18 chip.

I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence 
and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on Pro 
phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My 2-year 
contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may just have 
to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it can do and 
all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I would have 
probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all sounds just too 
cool and useful to pass it up.



From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement



Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be 
getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge 
since I have an iPhone 14.

Sent from my iPhone



   On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

   

   I agree.



   From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
   Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
   To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
   Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement



   We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have 
a feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course 
from the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as 
soon as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will 
have a year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically 
happen in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early 
March. And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple 
Intelligence will require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us 
it may be years before we experience it all and by then of course even more 
powerful hardware and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One 
thing I am sure of is that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff 
around all the AI development and we'll benefit greatly from it.



   From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Cristóbal 
Muñoz
   Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
   To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
   Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement



   I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”

   Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years 
later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess.



   Cristóbal



   From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi
   Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
   To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
   Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement



   We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They 
just separated it.

   Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.

   Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

   Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.



       On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

       

       After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to 
announce how Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was 
disappointing to listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not 
hear the word Siri or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple 
decided to not go into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented 
and we'll hear all about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but 
I thought it was a bit of a let down anyways.



       Best regards,

       Sieghard



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