Well the phones also use public hotspots MAC addresses to determine location. It was quite interesting in New York City, I would be on a location on 8th Avenue and my phone would tell me I was on 6th Avenue. But then going downstairs into the lobby of the building my phone would know I was at 8th Avenue. It seems the comcast hotspot in the Apartment was confusing the GPS and moving me 1/4 miles away.
> On Mar 2, 2025, at 3:51 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone > <[email protected]> wrote: > > It works as accurately as the GPS signal is at that moment. > None of our devices have any better accuracy than about 10 meters in the > ideal circumstances. That is, not around tall buildings, clear sky, and a > good amount of satellites in range. > Since the Earth and the satellites are constantly moving, your accuracy can > change very quickly. > > > Richard, USA, > "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to step > off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will > happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught how > to fly." > -- Barbara J. Winter. > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Barbara Stahl > Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2025 12:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: 16, or 16E? > > Yes I do this all the time it's not always completely accurate but I'll give > you a basic idea of where you are. For instance, I have had it tell me that I > am at 4717 spruce Road when I was actually at 4719 Spruce Rd., so it's not > completely exact but it does work to appoint > >> On Mar 2, 2025, at 2:47 PM, Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Do any of yall know, if you can ask Siri, where am I? What is this address? >> >> The reason I'm asking is that last night, I dreamed that I was stranded >> somewhere in Austin, Texas, and aware that I had my iPhone. But, I heard >> people talking and got up from a bench to go ask them where I was. >> >> Carolyn Arnold >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2025 8:43 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: 16, or 16E? >> >> Siri still has trouble turning her mic off and cutting off when she's >> reading back, in my experience. I think it is mainly when there is >> background noise during dictation. So, when I'm doing anything lengthy, I >> go into the ap. >> Danney >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2025 8:25 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 16, or 16E? >> >> If Siri could close an app as well as open it, then I might use the open app >> feature. I do use Siri sometimes if I want to send a very quick text message. >> Sent from my quantum phone!! >> >>> On Mar 1, 2025, at 7:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Josh, I am exactly like you are about all that. I never think to have Siri >>> open an app. It annoys me, though, when I ask Siri something, and she says >>> here's what I found on the weg, and half the time, I xan't find whatever >>> she found. >>> >>> Carolyn Arnold >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2025 6:06 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 16, or 16E? >>> >>> Personally I just learned the original gestures which work fine for me. I >>> never have Siri open apps when I can omen them myself and I know where the >>> app is either on my home page or on which of my three pages the app I want >>> is located. It is great the iPhone is so customizable. >>> >>> Sent from my quantum phone!! >>> >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2025, at 4:53 PM, Barbara Stahl <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> You can also create your own gesture, or assign a particular gesture for >>> going to the home screen, or opening the app switcher I prefer that method >>> for these functions there was an email thread about how to do this a while >>> back. I copied the method used in the email thread and use swipe left with >>> two fingers two for the app, switcher and swipe right with two fingers to >>> access the home screen. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2025, at 12:22 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Marta, Thanks for the kind words on my web site,. >>> >>> >>> >>> I honestly don't miss the home button. >>> >>> The gesture for the App Switcher or going home is not that hard with a >>> little practice. >>> >>> You can use the side button for Siri much like the home button. I >>> pretty much only use the app switcher now to close out apps, unless I am >>> somewhere that asking Siri to open an app is not appropriate. >>> >>> I mostly tell Siri to open x y z app. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA, >>> >>> "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to >>> step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two >>> things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will >>> be taught how to fly." >>> >>> -- Barbara J. Winter. >>> >>> >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >>> Marda >>> Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2025 9:02 AM >>> To: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: 16, or 16E? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, Richard. Thanks for adding that info. That was one of my >>> initial feelings of frustration because you can do a lot of those things >>> quickly with the home button (accessibility shortcut, tripple click, app >>> switcher double click, Siri, hold, wait for the sound (or just hold for the >>> appropriate time if you can't hear the sound which because of my hearing >>> loss I sometimes can't) and it seemed like taking away the home button and >>> assigning its functions to several different things was making things >>> needlessly complicated. But then, what do I know? I don't know much about >>> tech and certainly am not a designer or programmer, just a lowly end user >>> who has gotten to like doing things a certain way but of course will adapt. >>> Thanks for as always being so helpful and thanks too for your website >>> which I have directed quite a few people too with happy results. >>> >>> Marda >>> >>> On 3/1/2025 10:00 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote: >>> >>> Hi Marta, >>> >>> Yes, I was just giving the default function not having read >>> through Scott's complete email comparing the 16e and 16. >>> >>> But, here is all the things you can set the Action button to: >>> >>> Silent/Ring mode >>> >>> Focus >>> >>> Camera, Open the camera app >>> >>> Flashlight >>> >>> Voice Memo >>> >>> Recognize Music >>> >>> Magnifier >>> >>> Controls. )the comment here says Quickly access your favorite >>> control.) >>> >>> Shortcuts, (which says Open an app or run your favorite shortcut.) >>> >>> Accessibility, (quickly use an accessibility feature.) >>> >>> No Action. >>> >>> I added the explanation where I thought it was useful in that >>> list. Note you can only have the action button do any one of those things. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a demo that I recorded on my web site for the gestures to >>> try and help folks learn how these work. >>> >>> It is a few headings down on the demos page, link below. >>> >>> https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html >>> >>> >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA >>> >>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." -- >>> John Wesley >>> >>> >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2025, at 12:03 AM, Marda <[email protected]> >>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> But the action button can also be set up to do other things as >>> well, right? So if you choose not to have it function as a toggle between >>> ring and silent modes you can have it do shortcuts like the accessibility >>> shortcut or you can have it do other things like turn on a specific focus >>> mode, turn airplane mode on or off or things like that. Not sure if you >>> can make the action button put you in the app switcher or not and I don't >>> think you can do things like you can with the home button like double click >>> it for the app switcher and tripple click it for the accessibility shortcut >>> and if you don't use it to toggle between silent and ring mode I'm not sure >>> how you'd easily do that so it doesn't seem as though it's as versatile as >>> the home button unless there's something I'm missing which seems sad to me. >>> I'm not sure I understand the rationale of getting rid of a button that >>> has multiple functions with one that can only do one thing, can't be double >>> or tripple clicked. I'm not sure about face ID either. I've heard from >>> some people that, for instance, if they wear a mask (which is sometimes >>> still required in certain situations) it has trouble. Also, can it really >>> tell the difference with people like identical twins i.e. will an identical >>> twin get access to your iPhone because it can't tell the difference in the >>> face IDs? >>> >>> Marda and so on. >>> >>> On 2/28/2025 8:23 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote: >>> >>> The Action button replaces the switch above the volume >>> buttons on the left side. Instead of a lever, it is a button that if you >>> hold it in it will toggle from ring mode to silent mode. If you tap it, it >>> tells you which mode you are in. >>> >>> The action button is about half the length of the volume >>> button. >>> >>> The button on the right is the power/lock button, and if >>> held in, you can talk to Siri. >>> >>> The 16 models that came out last fall also have a camera >>> button on the lower half of the right side that can be used to take >>> pictures and do other camera controls. It also works with Be My Eyes for >>> taking a picture. >>> >>> The 16e does not have that camera button. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard, USA >>> >>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is >>> possible." -- John Wesley >>> >>> >>> >>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2025, at 5:17 PM, 'Curtis Delzer' via VIPhone >>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I did not see this, thank you! >>> >>> I do not know what that "action" button is, the right hand >>> button on the phone for locking, etc? thanks >>> >>> On 2/28/2025 2:48 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote: >>> >>> I don't know if you saw the article from AppleVis.com, but >>> here it is. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hands On with the iPhone 16e: My First Impressions >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> iPhone 16e availability in the U.S. is less than 24 hours >>> away, and ahead of the launch, I was provided a unit for review. >>> >>> Going into today, I was looking forward to sharing the >>> iPhone 16e with our community, especially as there has been much >>> anticipation and excitement on AppleVis surrounding this phone in >>> particular. Unboxing podcasts are a lot of fun, especially when the >>> recording goes well. And I am of the opinion that as Apple no longer sells >>> a device with a Home Button, we should be doing everything possible to ease >>> the transition for people who are still on older devices for whatever >>> reason. It’s a bigger deal than you might think, especially for the >>> everyday blind, DeafBlind, or low vision user who really relies on that >>> Home Button as an anchor. >>> >>> All in all, there is a lot to talk about with the iPhone >>> 16e, but I wasn’t going to say any of it today. But that changed when I >>> actually experienced the iPhone 16e for myself. >>> >>> The iPhone 16e is Apple’s most affordable phone at US$599, >>> and, to be honest, I was disappointed by the price when it was announced. I >>> see the iPhone 16e as the iPhone for the everyday person, the person who >>> just needs an iPhone to do the basic things. And I really was hoping Apple >>> could get the price down to something under $500 and make that phone >>> available to as many people as possible. On the other hand, the iPhone 16e >>> has a lot of advanced tech (a current-generation A18 processor, Apple >>> Intelligence, the Action Button, an all-new Apple-designed modem, just to >>> name four); so the starting price is more understandable when you consider >>> what all you’re getting. >>> >>> Concerns about price aside, I tried to approach reviewing >>> the iPhone 16e with an open mind. I know what I like in an iPhone, and I >>> also know that the iPhone 16e is meant for a different type of user than >>> me. And yet, I interact with people from all walks of life; and for many of >>> them, all they want is a basic iPhone. So the iPhone 16e interested me at >>> first for those reasons: Is this the modern iPhone for everyone? >>> >>> As interested as I first was in the iPhone 16e, I never >>> expected that I would personally ‘like’ it—especially after only a few >>> hours with the device. But I do like it—a lot. >>> >>> Generally, I gravitate towards the bigger phones for their >>> battery, speaker, and bigger ‘feel’. ‘Bigger’ has always meant ‘better’ to >>> me. But the iPhone 16e challenges my assumptions in a pretty big way, no >>> pun intended. Contrary to my expectations, I actually really like the >>> thing. I like the way it feels in my hand. Picking it up, holding it while >>> on the phone, even sending messages with Braille Screen Input—it feels >>> great. And this was unexpected to say the least. >>> >>> Perhaps just as unexpected and even better than the >>> device’s ‘hand-feel’, are the speakers. Yes, I said ‘speakers’ because both >>> the bottom speaker and earpiece speaker are noticeably better than my >>> $600-more-expensive iPhone 16 Pro Max. In my review of the iPhone 16 Pro >>> Max, I shared about issues with the quality of sound output from the >>> speakers. Other members of the community have experienced similar issues. >>> >>> I am happy to report that the sound on the iPhone 16e has >>> none of these issues. At higher volume, the iPhone 16e puts out a lot of >>> bass for its size. (I remember my iPhone 15 Pro being similar.) But, unlike >>> my personal iPhone 16 Pro Max, the iPhone 16e better maintains this bass at >>> lower volumes. There is none of the dramatic fluctuation in bass with >>> volume adjustment that I see on my iPhone 16 Pro Max, and this is a >>> subtle—but nevertheless huge—improvement. >>> >>> And it is not just the bottom speaker that is improved; >>> the earpiece speaker has more bass as well, making the sound fuller and >>> more natural. I was on a FaceTime audio call shortly after setting up the >>> iPhone 16e, and I actually called the person back from my iPhone 16 Pro Max >>> to be sure I wasn’t just imagining things. I wasn’t—the speaker quality is >>> just better. If the speakers are important to you, you will really like the >>> iPhone 16e. >>> >>> The iPhone 16e has a 6.1-inch display, similar to recent >>> smaller iPhones. If you have seen an iPhone 13 or 14, or their Pro >>> counterparts, for example, the iPhone 16e’s size will be familiar to you. >>> The iPhone 16e has the same A18 series processor as other iPhone 16 >>> devices, and VoiceOver performance is as snappy as on my iPhone 16 Pro Max. >>> >>> In the iPhone 16e, Apple has tried to make the iPhone 16 >>> experience available to more people at a lower price. The device has a lot >>> to like: the same series of processor, support for Apple Intelligence, and >>> other key features of the iPhone 16 family—even an Action Button. But there >>> is no getting around the fact that the iPhone 16e’s starting price tag of >>> US$599 is still way out of reach of a lot of people, which is both >>> unfortunate and also a lost market opportunity for Apple. 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