That's great news, I'll give that a try. Is this setting ever lost? Does it persist at all, or do you need to do it per phone call? On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:06 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First, I would not use the rotor to set VO volume. The rotor VO volume > adjustment currently has a bug where if you go below 35%, VO volume gets > stuck and will not go above 35% unless you do a reset of all settings. > > That said, if you make a call, take the phone away from your ear, do a > two-finger swipe up to start reading the entire page, then bring the phone > back to your ear, using the volume buttons to change VO volume will then > change it relative to the phone volume. Using this method, I have placed VO > where I want it for both my earpiece speaker and my speakerphone speaker. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 24 Jan 2014, at 12:57, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I can see the problems that might arise, >> and yes, I do the speaker muffling trick all the time. :) It seems there are >> disadvantages to both systems. I think part of it is VO's volume while in a >> call. That is something Apple must have a hard time getting right, but I >> often find the speech volume to be shouting while those on the phone are >> just speaking normally. I know it used to be reversed, and people had a hard >> time hearing speech at all. Still, I wouldn't mind being able to lower >> speech volume on the fly. Of course the rotor offers this ability, but while >> you're trying to adjust things quickly it can be tedious to hunt through all >> the rotor options to find speech volume. All in ll this isn't something I'm >> overly worried about, especially now that you've pointed out how people >> might react. I guess I just like having more settings and less immovable >> defaults. :) >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:05 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I did say that, and you apparently haven't read the rest of the >>> message about it. Here is what happens with every app where VO stays in the >>> earpiece, without exception. >>> >>> People start complaining on various lists that VO is broken whenever they >>> use the particular app because they cannot hear VO. This complaining >>> continues until 1) the app developer sends VO to the speaker, or 2) people >>> cease using the app. >>> >>> Now, what do you honestly believe will happen when a person takes the phone >>> away from the ear and cannot hear, or can barely here, VO? In fact, what >>> will you personally do? My bet is you will start complaining as loudly as >>> everybody else. In fact, you can test this for yourself. When on a phone >>> call, take the phone away from your ear. Perform a two-finger swipe up to >>> get VO reading the entire screen. Now, hold a couple fingers in front of, >>> and just a little below, the earpiece. You will very quickly notice that it >>> is extremely hard to hear VO talking through the earpiece when the earpiece >>> is away from your ear. >>> >>> Put another way, we intellectually believe that VO would be nice and quiet >>> so others cannot hear it. We conveniently forget that it being so quiet >>> also means we can barely, or may not at all, be able to hear it ourselves. >>> Fortunately, Apple has figured this out, and thus far at least, has ignored >>> this particular request which keeps coming up every few months. >>> >>> Oh, by the way, if you want to muffle VO, but still be able to hear it >>> enough, just place your thumb over the speaker whilst keeping the mic >>> uncovered. The mic is between the headset jack and the lightning port. The >>> speaker is on the other side of the lightning port and goes all the way to >>> the edge. This is, of course, on the 5 and 5S. On the older phones, the mic >>> is on the bottom next to the side with the volume buttons. The speaker is >>> on the other side of the bottom. The 30-pin docking port is in the middle. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 24 Jan 2014, at 11:31, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> In another thread, someone said that Voiceover causes the iPhone to behave >>>> differently during a call. Specifically, when VO is on, lowering the phone >>>> from your ear enables speakerphone mode automatically. However, with VO >>>> off, the phone does not enter this mode. Did I understand things >>>> correctly? If so, I must say this is very annoying. I'd much rather see a >>>> gesture implemented that will switch between the speaker and earpiece >>>> modes, so that I can hang up, select a menu option; and so on in relative >>>> privacy. Headphones work well, as discussed in that other thread, but >>>> there is the odd time I don't have them. Plus, of course, everyone can't >>>> use headphones at all times. I'm just waiting to hear from you all before >>>> writing to Apple Access bility about this. 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