Todd, I didn't say acceptable, I said accessible. Also, I'm referring to the Google Maps app, not the web-based version of Google Maps. When you wrote that it wasn't accessible you did not include that you meant that it wasn't accessible using Braille. I haven't forgotten anyone here, I'm only stating what I know to be true, and that is that many blind people use the Google Maps app on a regular basis and are having no accessibility issues. And as for sighted users, I do know some which use this app regularly and they have no problems with it. It loads quickly on our devices and updates quickly as it should. If fact, I've done several comparisons while riding in a vehicle between Google Maps and other GPS apps as well as stand-alone GPS products and found that quite often Google Maps actually gave me information before some of the others.
BTW, there is no need to get defensive here as I'm not attacking you, and I apologize if I somehow made you feel that way. This is only a discussion, after all. DJ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of todd patkus Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: just one question DJ, I did not say "not acceptable." I simply gave you what I have seen sighted folks. Yes, it always takes time to load such. Ask your sighted friends. I did try Google maps on a computer, and it is not easy at all even with a Braille display! DJ, please note I am a STRONG Braille user. Please DO NOT forget deafblind folks here! Thank you. Todd > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "DJ" <[email protected] >To: <[email protected] >Date sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:13:09 -0400 >Subject: RE: just one question >Well, your statement that Google Maps is not accessible is subjective to say >the least. I and many, many other blind indeviduals use it successfully and >on a daily basis without dificulty. Perhaps you might share what parts of >the app are not currently accessible to you? >DJ >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of todd patkus >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:06 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: just one question >DJ, >Actually, with my experience, Google is not alone for pre/downloading such; >GPS does the same even on an iPhone by sighted, and it always takes a few >minutes for it to accomplish the pre/downloading! >I have seen that happen to many sighted. >No difference! >Even with Braille devices, Google does not work well. Not very accessible >at all. >That is just my observation. >Todd >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "DJ" <[email protected] >>To: <[email protected] >>Date sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:43:59 -0400 >>Subject: RE: just one question >>Google Maps does preload your route into your device so you can >actually >>navigate while offline. The drawback to this is if you go >offcourse you >>will not have turn by turn nbavigation until you get back on >course or >>unless you go online and update the route. I've used Google maps >for quite >>some time very successfully both online and offline, and on trips >as short >>as two miles and as long as 600 miles. It worked wonderfully in >both cases.. >>One of the 600 mile trips was even tested while offline. I was >very >>impressed that there did not appear to be a change in the apps >performance >>regardless of whether I was online or not. >>DJ >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >On Behalf >>Of Victor Gouveia >>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:46 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: just one question >>Hi Alex, You may be right in the case of Blind Square, but I'm >not sure >>you're right about Google Maps, or Seeing Eye GPS though because >this would >>make the particular apps expensive to use, and therefore not at >all viable >>for the majority of the blind public. >>I would think that only the GPS components use out and about >features, and >>not necessarily the map data, but I may be wrong. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Alex Hall >>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:39 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: just one question >>That is true of many in-car systems, yes. The apps for iOS work >differently, >>though. Some do let you download map files ahead of time, such >as Google >>Maps, but others need a constant or semi-constant data >connection, including >>Blindsquare and (if I'm not mistaken) Seeing Eye GPS. >>On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Victor Gouveia ><[email protected] >>wrote: >>> Alex Said: >>> Second, the iPad with an external receiver will do GPS, but most >>> mapping/navigation apps need to pull map data from some server >or other, >>> necessitating a data connection. >>> *** >>> No, even standard GPS devices purchased for drivers don't pull >map data >>> from servers out and about, they are usually updated manually >over the >>> internet via a Wi-Fi connection, or, if you have a data >connection, >>> depending on how large the map update file is. >>> Either way, the GPS receiver is just to ping off a satellite or >tower to >>> help the GPS locate you, the maps are a separate feature. >>> Just thought I'd point that out. >>> Victor Gouveia >>> Vice-President >>> Training Coordinator >>> VIP Tech >>> Tel: 1-888-640-6661 >>> Fax: 1-888-640-6669 >>> Home: [email protected] >>> Work: [email protected] >>> Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities >>> -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hall >>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:15 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: just one question >>> First, if you don't need the cellular option but you still want >the >>> portability, go for an iPod Touch. It has the power of an >iPhone5 (well, >>> slightly better actually) but is also wifi-only, while being the >size of >>> an iPhone instead of a larger iPad Mini or full iPad. >>> Second, the iPad with an external receiver will do GPS, but most >>> mapping/navigation apps need to pull map data from some server >or other, >>> necessitating a data connection. So, if phone calls, texting >(not with >>> iMessage), anywhere internet access for navigation and other >apps, and GPS >>> is your thing, do the iPhone. Otherwise, choose between the >iPad and iPod >>> Touch, depending on how much you want to spend and how large a >device you >>> want. Also remember that we have the iPad Mini in the mix. >Good luck! >>> <smile >>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 10:13 PM, Victor Gouveia ><[email protected] >>> wrote: >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> I also think it would be worth noting that unless you get the >iPad with >>>> 3G support, the iPad doesn't make you pay a certain amount per >month, as >>>> it only works on Wi-Fi, and not a data connection through a >carrier. >>>> So, if you take this into account when doing the calculations... >>>> an iPad and iPhone are roughly the same price, keep in mind that >I'm >>>> referring to the Wi-Fi version of the iPad, not the 3G version. >>>> The costs are roughly the same, give or take a hundred bucks or >so, but >>>> when getting the iPhone, your carrier will charge you anywhere >from 30 to >>>> 50 dollars per month, so your paying 30 to 50 dollars per month >in >>>> addition to the iPhone's already inflated price. >>>> Even if you get it on a contract, most carriers will insist you >get the >>>> iPhone on a 2 year contract, so you can expect to pay anywhere >from 199 >>>> to 350 for the phone, plus another 30 to 50 dollars per month >for >>>> twenty-four months, and you're looking at paying an extra 700 to >1200 >>>> dollars on top of what you paid for the phone. >>>> In addition to this, some carriers will charge you to unlock >your phone >>>> at the end of your contract, and this could cost you another 30 >to 75 >>>> dollars, at which point, you can now do what your iPad has done >all >>>> along. >>>> In any case, if you're budget conscious, then the iPad would be >the way >>>> to go, at which point, if you want to use the iPad as a >navigation >>>> device, you'll have to spend a little more for the external GPS >receiver, >>>> but even then, it still comes out cheaper than the iPhone. >>>> Keep in mind that the above are based on what I know about the >major >>>> carriers in Canada and the US, but I doubt the pricing is much >different >>>> in other areas. >>>> Victor Gouveia >>>> Vice-President >>>> Training Coordinator >>>> VIP Tech >>>> Tel: 1-888-640-6661 >>>> Fax: 1-888-640-s6669 >>>> Home: [email protected] >>>> Work: [email protected] >>>> Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hall >>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 5:54 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: just one question >>>> This question comes up from time to time, so the archives will >have a lot >>>> of information. Basically, though, the pros of an iPad over an >iPhone >>>> are: >>>> * better battery life >>>> * better sound, sometimes, and that is rather subjective >>>> * larger screen, for low-vision users using magnification >>>> * larger screen, showing more content for apps and webpages, >which can >>>> sometimes be useful to the blind >>>> That's all I can think of. Of course, the pros of the iPhone or >iPod >>>> Touch outweigh the pros of the larger iPad, at least for me, but >each >>>> person's situation is different. >>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Peter Logue ><[email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> Okay here's the question. If the Ipad and the Iphone both do >exactly the >>>>> same thing, only for the fact that the Iphone makes phone >calls... why >>>>> would >>>>> anyone not choose the Iphone. >>>>> I'm torn, but leaning to the Iphone, even though it has a >contract. But >>>>> dollar for dollar pound for pound. 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