Hi Eric, If you are doing a 3-finger swipe and Voiceover announces the number of rows then you are simply not doing the gesture correctly as it apparently registers as a 3-finger single tap. The 3-finger single tap is the gesture for "Speak page number or rows being displayed".
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 6:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider > the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions > to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some > Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the > latest on Android. > > On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: >> Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a >> pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will >> sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. >> >> For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that >> you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith >> means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the >> motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some >> accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be >> resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. >> Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an >> androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. >> You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, >> but running on the speed of the dual processor. >> >> >> >> On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I >>> still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at >>> about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, >>> weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in >>> the task manager. >>> Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, >>> audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other >>> activities on my way to work. >>> >>> >>> Kelly >>> >>> >>> On 6/29/14, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make >>>> it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone >>>> is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 >>>> will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC >>>> this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that >>>> everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit >>>> processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is >>>> declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the >>>> iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. >>>> On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>> >>>>> You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. >>>>> Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all >>>>> know that the iPhone >>>>> 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a >>>>> 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not >>>>> innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a >>>>> phone can hardly be called innovation. >>>>> Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 >>>>> inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a >>>>> 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. >>>>> Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large >>>>> battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find >>>>> articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the >>>>> Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, >>>>> one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course >>>>> you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon >>>>> tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily >>>>> make it a better vehicle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> On Behalf Of Alex Hall >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:09 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to >>>>> Droid >>>>> >>>>> I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. >>>>> However, >>>>> Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even >>>>> though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware >>>>> fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast >>>>> draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old >>>>> and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. >>>>> >>>>> I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. >>>>> Maybe >>>>> rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's >>>>> return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be >>>>> interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, >>>>> remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, >>>>> which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer >>>>> longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than >>>>> the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. >>>>> Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 >>>>> won't make a huge jump in battery? >>>>> >>>>> Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is >>>>> very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and >>>>> shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it >>>>> full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what >>>>> Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues >>>>> for an even bigger set with Android. >>>>> On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>> >>>>> I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better >>>>> battery life. >>>>> I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 >>>>> are and of course the fact that you are having issues with >>>>> Facebook is not Apple's fault. >>>>> As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with >>>>> SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. >>>>> According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will >>>>> be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys >>>>> on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try >>>>> Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year >>>>> contract. >>>>> I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage >>>>> definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to >>>>> connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very >>>>> remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same >>>>> experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his >>>>> battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if >>>>> you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now >>>>> one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades >>>>> with time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Eric Brinkman >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to >>>>> Droid >>>>> >>>>> As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery >>>>> life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely >>>>> unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery >>>>> life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have >>>>> over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone >>>>> into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, >>>>> I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. >>>>> And >>>>> i >>>>> don't even use my phone at work. >>>>> There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a >>>>> problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I >>>>> am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with >>>>> IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this >>>>> fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder >>>>> whether I might be better off on Android. >>>>> The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS >>>>> 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation >>>>> indicator. >>>>> There >>>>> are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend >>>>> five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I >>>>> should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue >>>>> with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result >>>>> of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, >>>>> something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS >>>>> 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll >>>>> never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on >>>>> this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and >>>>> accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading >>>>> software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard >>>>> that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter >>>>> than Siri. >>>>> Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones >>>>> as well? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>> viphone list. 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