I do somewhat agree with you, Alex, if an app is that expensive some sort of trial is definitely a good idea. I do, however, also think Apple should change their policy and figure out a way for people to Test Drive an app so to speak. They announced this ne wthing where developers can create a video or something like that to show what their app can do, but that of course if probably of little value in most situations for a blind person. I like very little about Android when it comes to security, the fragmentation of the OS and the many devices, but the ability to buy an app and return it within a short time frame is very nice and I wish Apple could do something like that.Say you buy an app and your credit card or account credit is charged 30 minutes after downloading the app. If you downloaded it and found that it didn't work you could do something simple which would void out the transaction. In any case something which is in line with Steve Jobb's old "It just works" motto and of course you can do this only once for any particular app..
Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 7:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App I know where you are coming from, and certainly there are ways of (sort of) testing the app before making the purchase. What gets me is the attitude; they are asking for $100 up front, with little chance of a refund, yet plenty of models exist that would let users try before buying. Instead of adopting such a model, though, they first blame Apple for not offering an official app trial mechanism (see yesterday's tweet), then they say that adopting a freemium model of some kind would be confusing. This, despite the fact that plenty of apps, blind-specific or not, use freemium pricing to great success. Bottom line: they want a whole lot of money, but won't allow a trial even though doing so would be easy. They'd rather blame Apple for nothing at all, or claim it would be a lower-quality experience somehow. On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote: Alex, there is no doubt that having a demo for individuals to test would be ideal. And if enough people push forward and put enough pressure on an FB, perhaps it will happen. I also believe that wow a lot of us will not buy this app the first comes out. A lot of people on this list will. We can ask them to scan for certain things that we like to check out. Yes, it's not the same as us doing it, but there are other ways to manage this. I just don't think it's with getting that worked up over. After all, one of the main reasons at this list is so beneficial is the fact that there are lots of guinea pigs out there. There are a lot of people who will buy apps and test them. We can learn from them. That's one of the main reasons I stay on this list along with being able to hopefully assist others on occasion. It wasn't for these facts. With all the extraneous messages that are passed back-and-forth, I would've unsubscribed along time ago. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> > wrote: I know there will be demos of it, but that isn't the same as making sure it works for each person. I mean, say it does great scanning pages, but chokes on envelopes? Most of my scanning is envelopes, but unless I can test that out ahead of time, I won't know that the app will not work for me as well as it did for the guy in the podcast. That's just an example; everyone has different use cases, requirements, and expectations, and I simply can't understand why the developers of this app refuse to adopt a simple model that would let each potential customer make sure the app is what they want and need before spending all that money. On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote: Alex, it's not as bleak as you portray. Someone on more than one individual do a podcast and will get a good idea of how the app really works. After all, nobody has to buy it the first day it comes out. Using some patients and caution will yield good results in the end. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> > wrote: Regarding an app trial, I think this is pretty clear. @KNFBReader sent the following tweet earlier today: @davetaylor2112 Thanks for the suggestion. We will not be creating a "freemium" app. This only causes confusion and lowers expectations. So there you have it. Cough up your hundred dollars based on others' experiences, or don't get the app; no trials for anyone. I personally find this to be ridiculous and a bad decision, but what do I know? 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