Hi Alan, The iPhone 3GS had a 3 MP camera, the iPhone 4 had a 5 MP and the iPhone 4S, 5, 5C and 5S all have an 8 MP camera. It is correct, however, that the same 8 MP camera on the 5S is better than that on the 4S or 5 since the sensor has larger pixels and it has the 2-tone flash which yields better results in low light. And yes, I can see how the processing of the image is best on a 5S and better on a 5 or 5C than it is on the 4S and of course it will yet be better on the various iPhone 6 models which besides getting the A8 chip most likely will feature a 13 MP camera.
I am not sure where you get the 8.5 Megapixel number, not that 8 MP or 8.5 MP would mnake a big difference, but here is part of a description of the 5S eyesight camera followed by the link to the entire article: The new iSight camera on iPhone 5s builds on the iPhone 5 camera in ways that make a real difference to your photos. It captures beautiful images at 8 megapixels. What makes them beautiful is a redesigned camera sensor that allows for bigger pixels. Bigger pixels equal better photos. And better photos are precisely what inspired the advancements we made with the new iSight camera on iPhone 5s. Larger sensor. Larger pixels. Larger aperture. Light is one of the most important factors in getting a great photo. Not just how well your subject is lit, but how sensitive your camera’s sensor is to light. Here’s how it works: A camera’s sensor — and the pixels on it — collect light. The larger the sensor and the larger the pixels, the more light is collected. And that translates to better, brighter images with truer colours and less noise. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/camera Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera. The 5s has an 8.5 megapixel camera. Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2014! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now!!!!! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: RE: knfb reader The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not work on the iPhone 4S. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: knfb reader Yes, the camera is not good enough. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier <mi...@eastlink.ca> wrote: > > as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the > presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you > are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure > I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this > app. from Mich. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > > I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality > flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 > inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera > millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit > with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. > Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 > degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone > being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that > are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 > times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and > reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. > The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than > that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised > at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has > been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance > of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external > lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many > other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app > does this effectively. > > I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more > information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said > the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, > it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 > series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed > that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough > performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised > product functionality. > > Kelly > > > > >> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on >> the >> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 >> to >> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add >> that >> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared >> to >> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while >> I >> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it >> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results >> free >> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get >> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift >> card. With back to school they should be around. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Alan Paganelli >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 >> ways >> >> to Sunday. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> Go Chicago Bears in 2014! >> >> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now!!!!! >> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >> >> Please click on: >> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played >> on >> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on >> my >> >> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> >> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at >> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the >> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the >> release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app >> right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about >> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage >> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a >> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on >> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This >> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is >> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. >> >> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and >> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, >> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly >> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it >> slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and >> the extraordinary. I’m waiting to learn about actual end user >> experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people >> KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> >>> On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>> Hi Jonathan, >>> >>> >>> >>> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the >>> public >>> on >>> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I >>> guess >>> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and >>> a >>> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now >>> with >>> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch >>> may >>> be announced on the 9th as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to >>> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with >>> these >>> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, >>> but >>> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S >>> with >>> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in >>> which >>> case they should just say so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Jonathan Mosen >>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: knfb reader >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on >>> or >>> about the 10th. >>> >>> Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and >>> they >>> have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will >>> be >>> released to developers right after the presentation. >>> >>> That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and >>> they >>> would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS >>> itself >>> is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the >>> 17th. >>> >>> One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using >>> some >>> of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to >>> the >>> camera. >>> >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> >>> Mosen Consulting >>> >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail <englishride...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually >>> held >>> some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ari >>> >>> >>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < >>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> >>> siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to >>> wait >>> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an >>> excuse. >>> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app >>> on >>> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any >>> case, >>> if >>> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the >>> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, >>> just >>> saying, >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> >>> From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> OfRichard Turner >>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM >>> To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: knfb reader >>> >>> >>> >>> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: >>> >>> Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec >>> have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is >>> being >>> scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating >>> system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full >>> release >>> here. >>> >>> <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf> >>> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor >>> Hugo >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> >>> trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On twitter: >>> >>> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full >>> compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> >>> http://knfbreader.com >>> #Apple #iPHone >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>> list. >>> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. 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