Hi, I won't be updating until they have some of the wrinkles ironed out. Yes, IOS 7 was buggy when it was first released, so much so that, if I could have, I would have gone back to IOS 6 until they got some of the bugs fixed. I won't make the mistake of updating to IOS 8 immediately like I did with IOS7. I don't at all expect it to be perfect the first time. Nothing made by man is perfect and that is especially true with all the complexities of modern technology. Having said that, the Applevis site lists 34 known bugs with VoiceOver in IOS 8 and Jonathan threw in number 35. Some are quite major. I do think that a little more attention could have been given to fixing a few of these. I have been a IOS user for over three years, back to IOS 4. I suspect that I will be with IOS for a long time yet. However, I am a bit troubled at the amount of VoiceOver bugs that have been present in IOS7 and especially IOS 8 at initial release. Scott Duck
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to work perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even considering all of the work it has taken to produce such a major and complicated overhaul. Did version 7.0 work perfectly the first time? Not hardly. It took a while to get the bugs worked out, but they did it. So, rather than immediately whine and complain, how about giving them a bit of slack? Give them time to work the bugs out, just like they did after releasing version 7.0? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Ewers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:49 PM Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave them high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends have said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation and less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all of these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where your mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim to be such a friend of people who are disabled. Neal -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get it to us. I will patiently wait. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:58 AM Subject: IOS 8 Released Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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