Hello all,
Per the podcast on KNFB Reader, you can place 2 fingers on the take picture
button then lift one to take a picture. This is part of the app designed to
make it easier to take a picture without moving your phone. The take
picture button is quite large, taking up most of the left side of the phone.
Now, having said all this, I do not have KNFB Reader yet. I am basing this
info on 2 podcasts plus info I have read about the app. Someone who has it
could verify that this works.
Regards,
Sherry Wells
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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 3:56 AM
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Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi Rob,
I tried the volume button in KNFB Reader and at least for me it doesn't seem
to work. ?But in any case, I actually find pushing the volume button is more
likely to make me move the phone than a double tap or split tap. The
iPhone's touch screen really requires a very light touch and with a bit of
practice you can do a double tap and barely touch the screen.
What I haven't tried yet is to use the headset. This is probably the best
method for taking a picture as you can press the middle part of the headset
to take the picture or start/stop video recording and you don't even have to
touch your phone at all or press any button.
As for holding the phone, I just hold it in my left hand gripping just the
bottom half of the phone from underneath and I find this quite natural and
then my right hand is free to do the tapping.
Regards,
Sieghard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of RobH.
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I just read this and had this image, begging a question:-
Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling
about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them...
so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why
don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture,
don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this?
It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make
the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some.
I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera,
since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the
screen and tapping.
JMO, RobH.
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From: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was
important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then
to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking
about, but it may be worth a try.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrianMiller
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other
contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the
same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is
the app elements. I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button,
or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a
two-finger double-tap. Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this
work?
Thanks,
Brian M
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM
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Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hi Brian,
First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page
book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are
indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to
go.
As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does
work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If
Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a
single 2-finger tap.
I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do
my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally
use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to
hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to
effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different
here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is
something we all have to figure out for ourselves.
Regards,
Sieghard
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM
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I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a
little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a
number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this
app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that
need fixing…
1. For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading
a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast,
Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger
double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I
try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen
and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and
kind of annoying.
2. I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing
or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the
main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the
document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots
of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready
to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will
it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a
document if I’m just playing around.
3. It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the
screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is
described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., holding the phone with both hands,
arms on a table, but then it’s hard to do this without covering the speaker
at the end of the phone, making it hard to hear; or, to tap the screen to
get it to do what I want it to.
4. If I toggle voice over off and then on again, the buttons will no
longer respond to a double-tap… I can read the screen, but the app will no
longer respond… I have to close the app and reopen it.
I should add I am using an iPhone 5, with IOS7.
I think it would be quite a challenge to scan an entire book without a
standscan pro to hold the phone… It’s hard to hold the page of a book flat,
line up the shot, and then get a good pic that reads it correctly with
minimal errors.
I think this is a big step forward, and the quality of the scans is
generally superior, but there is still work to be done here… And of course I’m
still learning and practicing how to use the app effectively… No doubt
things will get easier in time, and the app will be tweaked to make
improvements..
Thanks,
Brian Miller
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White
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Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen
<jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the
technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there
are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising
given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons
would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out
here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus,
I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document
scans with less effort.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall
<mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews
I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than
anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a
game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before
I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus.
On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden
<dchitten...@gmail.com<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount
for any OCR app.
Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for
the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of
the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR.
Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+
camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst
the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the
four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and
tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically
correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make
a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone
On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Eileen,
If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess
that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge
difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best
picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly
larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S.
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM
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Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
Hello Jonathan,
Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm
going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will
purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the
KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be
terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that
they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the
use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical
stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app
was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand.
Thanks so much for your first impressions.
Best,
Eileen
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G
<theblindman...@hotmail.com<mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
It is now available on the app store to download.
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On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"
<brianrmille...@gmail.com<mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Jonathan,
So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?
Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding
the phone over the page or item?
Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
Brian M
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Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone
5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came
to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page
of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The
feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly
helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more
information about camera positioning and angle.
And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly
it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast,
or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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Well, I am hoping that something will help. I have so much troublehi
Jonathan,
I am so frustrated with using the cayenne if the reader on my iPhone S. It
is a crapshoot if I can get a page aligned correctly. I have yet to be able
to actually read an entire page when the phone is lined up straight.
Hi Jonathan,
I am so frustrated trying to use the K in FB reader. I never can line the
camera up straight with the page. I know that you're supposed to point the
camera to the upper half of the page.
Even when I think I have done so, it's not right. So, I will take you up on
getting an iPhone 6+.I know that you're supposed to have the upper part of
the camera in the upper part of the page. However
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