--On Monday, April 02, 2012 18:34 +0200 Joel jaeggli <[email protected]> wrote:
>... >> (i) Encourage presentations to be prepared as a sequence of >> slides accompanied by either written narrative or audio (or >> possibly video) and made available with a cutoff not later >> that the cutoff for new I-Ds and ideally earlier. If people >> then started discussing them on the relevant WG mailing >> lists, that would strengthen the case for (ii) below. > What we've been encouraged to do, e.g. use the > presentation/meeting cycle for the problems, not the material > is fundamentally at odds with this approach. We're there to > have a discussion and the slides are there to support that. > they should not be there to imho to present the contents of > the draft. We had the mailing list and the drafts themselves > to form the framework for the meeting. Joel, I apologize if I wasn't clear, but I was suggesting using those previously-prepared presentations for online access at the convenience of participants _before the IETF f2f meetings_ and eliminating them from those meetings entirely. If that is "fundamentally at odds" with focusing the face time on problems rather than presentations, I don't see how. >> If we could get it into our collective heads that audio or >> video presentations with pre-distributed slides might >> actually be more effective, it might help in a lot of ways. > > As a quite bad amateur ietf video producer, I'm going to go > out on a limb and say that a few hundred hours per meeting of > cooked slides and audio is not going to improve the > productivity of the working groups unless you're measuring > that per byte. And, again, I'm suggesting cutting the amount that appears during the meeting, taking up meeting time, to nearly zero. >> Conversely, if >> people needed to show that they were going to be in front of >> the room to get permission to travel to IETF, it would be, >> IMO, far more helpful to all concerned to have that role be >> "lead discussion of presentation and I-D" rather than "give >> presentation". > > it should be today. Agreed. But that isn't happening in presentation-heavy WGs. john _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet
