>From: "scott pollmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: XP and the Taskbar. THANKS Jae >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:20:35 -0400 >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >"In IT, we have rights to support everything, not see everything. I feel >spying crosses the line. "
>LOL, I didn't mean to start a war. Yes my original post was on 'spying', >however while most of you are in the corporate sector, I am in education. I >do not spy on teachers or administrators, though if there is a problem I >don't ask for permission to access the computer to fix the issue. > >When spying was brought up, it was in the context of peeking at students >while they are searching the internet. I find my self in a bit of a >different situation than most of you. Students that view inappropriate >material cannot be fired, the penalties really are lax due to governmental >controls. My students are just as sneaky, if not more so, than adults. >Usually, in my experience, they are fairly computer literate. My only >ace-in-the-hole is to keep an eye on them with out their knowing, and my >admin pwd. I have locked them out of the system as best I could, but there >will always be holes (as long as I am using a MS product) <G>. Spying in >the education setting I feel is really needed. I think in IT, we have more than "rights" to fix a machine. In a business environment, the machines are owned by the corporation, and the corporation decides what function or functions each machine should perform. When they stop doing that, IT gets called in to make them perform those functions to spec again. That, in my view, is not a rights issue, but a job requirement issue. We're there to do precisely that... make/keep the machines do/doing what the corporation needs them to do. As to the students... I don't see watching over the students as "spying". That we'd think of this that way, in my opinion, is dangerous. As adults, it's our responsibility to educate and provide ethical and moral standards of behavior to those children in our charge. That responsibility must come from parents, teachers, clergy, etc. We're not spying on them, we're helping them along, even when they don't like the manner in which we do it. Often, that's only because they don't understand what we're doing (frustrating for anyone) or don't want to work at doing the "right" thing in the face of the "wanted", or "easy" thing (a common problem for any age). Watching over the students is nothing more than doing the job. What do we get when we allow people to grow into adults without much or any supervision as children? While watching, a teacher often discovers things about a student's work practices that are open to improvement. So it could be at work, too... as I often find people working harder than they need to accomplish a thing, but now I'm crossing the line into a bit of idealism. John M. Creegan Systems Administrator Questar Data Systems, Inc. (651) 688-1954 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Never interrupt the one doing a thing by telling them they can't. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________________ VNC-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.realvnc.com/mailman/listinfo/vnc-list
